I quote from your previous posts, with certain phrases bolded:
I am sorry, but do you think I am a silly boy? 😊 My computer is very powerful. I am also a Pro Audio user so no need to ask these questions.
Man, how many times should I repeat this
In reply to @CubeAce who made an entirely relevant comment about variable frame rate, you replied:
Great. So explain to me how the video works on weaker graphics card, and does not work on a stronger, professional one.
You go further in your latest post and say:
it is a bit frustrating to see replies which do not correspond to my question or correspond to it in a very generic way
Please explain how other users who have shown themselves willing to help you have given replies which do not respond to my question... etc.
It has been explained to you that Magix "favours" Intel processors. Peter (@Scenestealer), an experienced user and forum moderator, quite correctly told you:
the program has been optimised to work with the Intel graphics and as such works extremely well in the case of the most commonly used video formats (including 4K) and codecs. Don't confuse the power of GPU's designed to render 3D textures in video games with the more basic requirements of rendering effects and encoding and decoding 2D video.
The fact that you seem unable or unwilling to accept this is, unfortunately, yet another example of "rudeness" to another poster. I would view it the same, whether or not a moderator had made the post, by the way.
I accept you do not agree with my view that you are, in essence, behaving abusively towards other posters but that is my view and I would ask that you make any further posts without using any words which could be considered as dismissive of or abusive to other posters and their views.
Jeff
Forum Moderator
This is crazy. I mean, in every discussion you can agree or not. Not agreeing with someone is not offensive and is not personal.
I am happy of experienced users trying to help, but the remark Magix "prefers" intel doesn't mean much here, when in other cases MEP is working in RTX 2060. I want to understand why I can see the footage on weaker graphics card and see the black space on a dedicated graphics card. The card which works with other videos with the same program.
Also, RTX 2060 was also made for creators in mind
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/07/23/rtx-studio-laptops-performance/
I just want some answers, that's it.
Maybe you could upload a short clip (the one in the Media Info analysis would be fine) that causes the stuttering preview, to a file sharing site like Dropbox so that others can test on their workstations.
Maybe you could upload a short clip (the one in the Media Info analysis would be fine) that causes the stuttering preview, to a file sharing site like Dropbox so that others can test on their workstations.
Yes I will do that. Of course.
So here it is:
I also made my VLC Player use NViDIA GeForce RTX2060 graphics card. It played the footage without a problem.
Thank you for the file.
It played without any problem in my default video player, Cyberlink PowerDVD 17. I then opened it in MEP Premium, 19.0.2.58; the file "played" but nothing was seen in the Program Monitor! (Unknown reason, perhaps because of the HEVC codec being used?). Opened it in VPX 18.0.1.77, playback with no problems, no stuttering or jumping etc.
Task Manager with VPX showed that most of the playback decoding was being done by my i7 CPU (HD530) with a small amount on my AMD Radeon R7 GPU. Similar results in MEP, but without video display.
Not sure what these results prove, or otherwise, but ....
Jeff
Thank you for the file.
It played without any problem in my default video player, Cyberlink PowerDVD 17. I then opened it in MEP Premium, 19.0.2.58; the file "played" but nothing was seen in the Program Monitor! (Unknown reason, perhaps because of the HEVC codec being used?). Opened it in VPX 18.0.1.77, playback with no problems, no stuttering or jumping etc.
Task Manager with VPX showed that most of the playback decoding was being done by my i7 CPU (HD530) with a small amount on my AMD Radeon R7 GPU. Similar results in MEP, but without video display.
Not sure what these results prove, or otherwise, but ....
Jeff
Thanks. That means MEP is missing something. But still it's so strange to see it play the video on Intel integrated graphics, and not beeing able to do the same task with dedicated NViDiA graphics.
VLC also plays the raw camera footage wihout a poblem, on both graphic cards.
I was not able to see the playback of your video on either of my computers in VPX. I could not import into MEP2019 as it wanted me to pay for a CODEC. WMP on my desktop said I needed a CODEC, but the video played back on my Surface Pro 4 (no additional video card). However, the playback did not look good, washed out.
I tried creating a proxy file in VPX. No image, no sound.
On my desktop, I succeeded in playing it back in Cyberlink DVD10.
I tried Pinnacle Studio 23 (latest version), was able to put the video on the timeline, but it would not play back. After several attempts PS crashed.
I tried in Vegas 15 and the CODEC automatically updated and I was able to play back the video but there was no sound. Here is what it looked like:
So, none of my 3 (or 4 counting MEP) video programs was able to successfully handle your video.
VLC is not a video editor.
John CB
@DominikStrycharski @emmrecs @browj2 @CubeAce
File plays smooth as butter here - in MEP2020, VPX11 and Windows Films&TV, WMediaplayer - with Nvidia GTX1060 and Intel HD530 selected in Display Settings.
Task manager shows CPU, IntelGPU and Nvidia loads:-
Nvidia selected in Program Settings>Display - CPU 30%, iGPU 30%, GTX1060 7%
Intel selected in Program Settings>Display - CPU 8%, iGPU 23%, GTX1060 0%
So sample footage shows smoothest play back with lowest resources used = Magix "prefers" intel with your footage!🙃
Peter
@DominikStrycharski @emmrecs @browj2 @CubeAce
File plays smooth as butter here - in MEP2020, VPX11 and Windows Films&TV, WMediaplayer - with Nvidia GTX1060 and Intel HD530 selected in Display Settings.
Task manager shows CPU, IntelGPU and Nvidia loads:-
Nvidia selected in Program Settings>Display - CPU 30%, iGPU 30%, GTX1060 7%
Intel selected in Program Settings>Display - CPU 8%, iGPU 23%, GTX1060 0%
So sample footage shows smoothest play back with lowest resources used = Magix "prefers" intel with your footage!🙃
Peter
What are your settings in MEP? Which codecs did you download to your computer?
BTW, your CPU / GPU performance doesn't show that iGPU works better, CPU load doesn't tell the whole truth.
Right now I wanted to playback my files in native photo app, and Windows made me install HEVC codec.
I did it, it played the files. But with a very strange colour.
Also, as you mentioned above both graphics cards, but you can select just one at a time in MEP.
Do you have a screenshot from MEP playing back the file while using Nvidia? Maybe I miss something in settings.
Maybe you have some kind of codecs installed on our PC.
I was not able to see the playback of your video on either of my computers in VPX. I could not import into MEP2019 as it wanted me to pay for a CODEC. WMP on my desktop said I needed a CODEC, but the video played back on my Surface Pro 4 (no additional video card). However, the playback did not look good, washed out.
I tried creating a proxy file in VPX. No image, no sound.
On my desktop, I succeeded in playing it back in Cyberlink DVD10.
I tried Pinnacle Studio 23 (latest version), was able to put the video on the timeline, but it would not play back. After several attempts PS crashed.
I tried in Vegas 15 and the CODEC automatically updated and I was able to play back the video but there was no sound. Here is what it looked like:
So, none of my 3 (or 4 counting MEP) video programs was able to successfully handle your video.
VLC is not a video editor.
John CB
This green video - that's exactly what I've seen on Vegas Pro 17...
Yes I feel the frustration with MEP as well as Vegas, especially with this Apple High Efficiency Video Coding format. MS gave a free decoder for this HEVC but MEP refuses to open it unless you pay them some money. Same thing happen many years ago for another commonly used format. Vegas tells me that it activated HEVC but came out green and then.... totally unusable as it crashes... oh I need to pay more to update it. WOW.
Even an free advanced professional video editing software is able to open and plays it well.
Most unfortunate as many of my family videos are taken by my family members who uses Apple. Forced to move on.
. . . . this Apple High Efficiency Video Coding format . . . .
That is Apple doing there own take on HEVC as they do on several file formats, they are supposedly 'Industry Standard', however, as has been found, they are not playable/usable on some software that supports Industry standard HEVC.
. . . . MS gave a free decoder for this HEVC but MEP refuses to open it unless you pay them some money. . . .
That is a Microsoft thing - WMP/Films & TV downloaded codecs appear to be locked to those programs and other programs cannot use them. The Magix fee is for the encoder part of the codec so you can export HEVC.
@DominikStrycharski . . . .This green video - that's exactly what I've seen on Vegas Pro 17 . . . .
Is this using the RTX GPU?.
John EB
If you have not paid the 5EUR fee to Magix to unlock the HEVC Codec then you will not be able to edit with HEVC in MEP. In VPX it is included and that is where MEP has picked it up on my computer. The Microsoft HEVC codec download will not be recognised by the Magix programs - at least not without you paying an unlock fee to Magix.
BTW, your CPU / GPU performance doesn't show that iGPU works better.
Slightly smoother preview and lower loads on all the hardware, when the Intel GPU is selected in the "Program Settings (Y key) > Display tab>Preview in the arranger>Video Mode" shows me that.
Do you have a screenshot from MEP playing back the file while using Nvidia?
See my previous sentence.
Maybe I miss something in settings.
One thing you should make sure of is that the Windows 10>Settings>Display>Graphic Settings are set to prefer the "Power Saving GPU" when using Movie Edit Pro 2020.exe. I know you will think this is nonsense also but just trust me and try it! Setting MEP to use the High Performance (Nvidia) GPU can disable Hardware acceleration completely or even cause the program to not even start.
I have not installed any additional codecs on my machine, nor would I and if you have, you might have bent your system so that MEP will not function correctly.
Peter
If you have not paid the 5EUR fee to Magix to unlock the HEVC Codec then you will not be able to edit with HEVC in MEP. In VPX it is included and that is where MEP has picked it up on my computer. The Microsoft HEVC codec download will not be recognised by the Magix programs - at least not without you paying an unlock fee to Magix.
BTW, your CPU / GPU performance doesn't show that iGPU works better.
Slightly smoother preview and lower loads on all the hardware, when the Intel GPU is selected in the "Program Settings (Y key) > Display tab>Preview in the arranger>Video Mode" shows me that.
Do you have a screenshot from MEP playing back the file while using Nvidia?
See my previous sentence.
Maybe I miss something in settings.
One thing you should make sure of is that the Windows 10>Settings>Display>Graphic Settings are set to prefer the "Power Saving GPU" when using Movie Edit Pro 2020.exe. I know you will think this is nonsense also but just trust me and try it! Setting MEP to use the High Performance (Nvidia) GPU can disable Hardware acceleration completely or even cause the program to not even start.
I have not installed any additional codecs on my machine, nor would I and if you have, you might have bent your system so that MEP will not function correctly.
Peter
Setting the batt saving makes MEP use internal Intel graphics.
If I want to use Nvidia, I have to set it to Performance.
I repeat once more: Intel graphics is insufficient. The playback stutters, with multiple files in the project.
Every test I make, the performance on Nvidia dedicated graphics is of course better, since it's much more powerful.
But still, black screen instead of playback, is a different story.
So I contacted support. They have made the test. And they cannot answer why I have a black window instead of footage. But they offered the free VideoProX. I will install it and see if MEP will pick up any codecs from VPX.
Which codecs are from Magix that I can buy? Where is it?
@DominikStrycharski . . . .This green video - that's exactly what I've seen on Vegas Pro 17 . . . .
Is this using the RTX GPU?.
John EB
I meant Vegas Pro 14, not 17. Yes, using RTX.
I mentionted that the file does not work in Pinnacle Studio 23 either, so it is not just Magix programs.
With which video editing program were you able to open and playback the file correctly?
John CB
that's using the free version of Davinci Resolve. Actually the playback is even better looking (better lighting/colours ) than that of MS player , so I guess it uses it own decoder.
. . . . this Apple High Efficiency Video Coding format . . . .
That is Apple doing there own take on HEVC as they do on several file formats, they are supposedly 'Industry Standard', however, as has been found, they are not playable/usable on some software that supports Industry standard HEVC.
. . . . MS gave a free decoder for this HEVC but MEP refuses to open it unless you pay them some money. . . .
That is a Microsoft thing - WMP/Films & TV downloaded codecs appear to be locked to those programs and other programs cannot use them. The Magix fee is for the encoder part of the codec so you can export HEVC.
yeah throwing in that Industrial standard mumbo jumbo.... who really knows who is really doing the standard correctly when each one does it differently.
I am not interested in encoding to HEVC, only need to decode it to a stream of still pictures so that I can edit my video. Charging for encoder is OK but not allowing decoding until you pay for encoder sounds like a Nigerian scam where you need to deposit $x amount to withdraw $y amount. Well, not exactly but you can figure out what I mean.
. . . . throwing in that Industrial standard mumbo jumbo.... who really knows who is really doing the standard correctly when each one does it differently . . . .
Not mumbo jumbo - fact, and my point exactly.
. . . . I am not interested in encoding to HEVC, . . . .
The specs for MEP do say that the fee is for export only, import is already there with no further fee.
It is possible that it needs the purchased version (less than £1 or approx equivalent) of the Microsoft HEVC codec (for playback) available in the Microsoft Store.
John EB
. . . . throwing in that Industrial standard mumbo jumbo.... who really knows who is really doing the standard correctly when each one does it differently . . . .
Not mumbo jumbo - fact, and my point exactly.
. . . . I am not interested in encoding to HEVC, . . . .
The specs for MEP do say that the fee is for export only, import is already there with no further fee.
It is possible that it needs the purchased version (less than £1 or approx equivalent) of the Microsoft HEVC codec (for playback) available in the Microsoft Store.
John EB
I installed the codec. No change...
Hi
Thanks for letting us know. I had it installed before I installed MEP so could not be sure.
John EB
Ooooookay. So, I think we have a conclusion here.
Magix support team has been very helpful. They examined my PC through their own nice software, they also examined the file on Nvidia graphics card. The situation with the file beeing black should not happen. They agreed and said they don't know what is the reason for now.
And than: Video Pro X, is playing the files without a single problem. I got an offer and now I just opened my MEP project in Video Pro X.
Of course, as I was expecting - contrary to MEP performance in Intel, Video Pro X with Nvidia is flying. So far no single hiccup.
So in the end, I think Video Pro X is the way to go for now. Strangely, some Vegas versions couldn't handle it either.
And than: Video Pro X, is playing the files without a single problem. I got an offer and now I just opened my MEP project in Video Pro X.
Please help me understand. So they offered you Video Pro X..... and not sell it to you, right? Nice.
Well, it takes a complain to get something.
The specs for MEP do say that the fee is for export only, import is already there with no further fee.
It is possible that it needs the purchased version (less than £1 or approx equivalent) of the Microsoft HEVC codec (for playback) available in the Microsoft Store.
John EB
How can I configure a codec to be used by MEP ?
Currently I can view & play the new HEVC video easily on MS Photo viewer, ACDSee, VLC, Davinci Resolve (edit as well) and even on the older Windows Media Player after install the MS HEVC video extension. It does say play on any video app on your win10. So I need to know how to make MEP use an external codec. Can you point me to a HowTo url or some write-up on that ? Thanks.