@Former user

Hi Gid.

Have a look through my recent forum post.

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/36-hours-of-testing-mep-premier-settings-for-playback-and-export--1241169/

You don't mention the resolution of your project settings unless certain effects are added 1080 x 1920 projects should whizz through.

Ray.

@Former user

Hi Gid.

Have a look through my recent forum post.

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/36-hours-of-testing-mep-premier-settings-for-playback-and-export--1241169/

You don't mention the resolution of your project settings unless certain effects are added 1080 x 1920 projects should whizz through.

Ray.

 

Thanks, yep 1920 x 1080, Yep i mentioned crossfade transitions were added, 'i added 18fr crossfades, i make YT vids & like that length of crossfade,' I inc the crossfades as part of this test because i wanted it to be as real as what i would when making my YT vids, Thanks i'll have a look at that link 😉👍

@Former user

Hi

To get maximum performance MEP needs to be using the Intel HD630 integrated GPU not the GT 1030 - it does very little with MEP.

Ensure that the Intel HD630 GPU is enabled in the BIOS of your computer, how and where the setting is dependent on your motherboard make and model.

See this comment to set the iGPU for use with MEP.

In the MEP program settings Import/Export tab ensure the 2 hardware acceleration options are checked and, if there is a dropdown box to the right of these, that Default is selected.

There is also a very long discussion on this topic here, if you are interested, with various combinations of settings in MEP.

HTH

John EB

Hi, Thanks, I'll have a look at the Intel HD630 integrated GPU & my grey picture shows those settings i believe, 2 hardware acceleration options are checked & Default is selected, I'll have a look at the links you've inc thanks 😉👍

Hi, Before restarting the pc i tried all the options in the graphics but the short clip i'm experimenting with exported at 2.46min for all

so i had to go online to understand the HD630 integrated GPU bit, the only stuff i could find for windows 10 & Gigabyte board was to enable this, which i did

I then tried exporting the same vid, the CPU normally runs about 70%-ish but now it runs at 30%-ish & i got a warning msg, the export was no faster tho.

Sorry am i missing something?

@Former user

Possibly, I've never had warnings like those.

This is all I have showing on my startup apps.

Of course there will be many other background systems loaded but mainly idle in the background.

Possibly you have missed bits in that thread as it was a developing search for better settings.

Look especially at my second to last comment on the third page of the thread.

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/36-hours-of-testing-mep-premier-settings-for-playback-and-export--1241169/?page=3

That gave me the best improvement overall and others found similar benefits although not maybe as great.

[Edit. Added]

A lot of us use two monitors or have a headless ghost connected to one of the video graphics outputs to ensure both GPUs are in use. I have had no need to make that adjustment in my bios.

Ray.

Sorry I think i was being a little rash saying the export was no different, played with it a little now, the vid clips i was experimenting with were 1min long, not long enough to show the difference, so i started afresh, i haven't changed anything from my last comment, I have two screens connected to the graphics card btw,

I imported a larger file 3.45mins long, more like one of the bigger ones i normally use, creating proxy can take nearly as long as the clip itself but this time it flew through 😁 I added a few more smaller clips, they flew on too but were a bit shorter, I used Magix open twice on top to capture the screen, the collection of clips with an 18fr crossfade on each, project length 7.52mins, it exported in 3.34mins 😁😁👍👍👍 that's ½ the time compared to the 10mins it would normally take, I make 20min-ish YT vids that take a bit longer to export, normally more like 30mins-ish, I need to make a proper video with cuts, subtitles etc. I'll post on here my findings for you/anyone else to see. Thankyou both of you.👍👍

Calculate video effects on GPU is always unticked on my exports, did you find it made any difference?

I 'm going to post the video of this screen capture which i need to cut the exporting bit down a bit but curiously the screen capture was shorter & took longer to export than the original imported clips bit that i was capturing, 🙃😏😄

😂😂😂😂 I always have no other programs open but maybe reducing the start-up apps might help 😁😁

This is the video screen capture i mentioned, i trimmed the start & finish, added a Jpg of the first clip i imported's details & some text with a reduced opacity black background, 6.49min video exported in 3.34mins 😁😁👍👍👏👏 Exlent, hopefully my real vids will export quick too, so i don't have to leave it exported n go to bed, then wait till next day to see what mistakes i've made, 😂😂 Thankyou again 👍👍

@Former user

Yes, Unticking 'Calculate video effects on GPU' was one of the most effective ways I found to speed things up that was actually the biggest shock. Nothing else I tried gave the same performance boost but I had a setup of sorts to start with (The Intel GPU being put into Power Saving being one of them) but all settings and placements added up to additional time export savings.

There is little point in having anything much on startup as programs respond to being activated when needed anyway. That is an awful lot of things running in the background 😅.

Ray.

👍 Ok, Like i say it's always been off for me, didn't know what it did so didn't turn it on 😂 I've just turned most things off, & restarted the PC, There's 68 background processes but they all ref to windows, Intel, Microsoft n AVG etc. I've been up all night playing with tha PC & Magix, haven't changed any of the settings, just checking everything is ok as i only put that m.2 drive in yesterday, about a hr before i came on here n started messing with the graphic settings 😬😂 everything's fine though, i get faster & more satisfactory import/proxy speeds & export is roughly half the length of the complete project/movie 😁👍 Just had a look at your page n i says you have an Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU, i googled it & i think it is 8/16 cores? do you get much faster export speeds or is there a limit to the speed that Magix can work at?

@Former user @CubeAce

Just had a look at your page n i says you have an Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU, i googled it & i think it is 8/16 cores? do you get much faster export speeds or is there a limit to the speed that Magix can work at?

My guess is yes! More cores do not make a huge difference - each core just seems to get used less. There is some evidence to suggest that higher CPU clock speed helps. It is almost as though the program is limited on high end machines so that it still works reasonably well on mid range and lower end machines that probably represent the majority of users hardware.

I saw a 1min difference in export between the 2 drives. 7.5mins for the SATA SSD & 6.5mins with the m.2 evo plus

It may be possible that your original SSD being only 120GB was too full which can slow them down considerably but drive speed should not be a huge factor in exporting times because most of the bottle neck is in the processing of the Video on the CPU and GPU.

That warning you got about the Intel Control Panel was just telling you it was installing the control panel software but was probably as a result of the change in the bios allowing the Intel GPU hardware to activate. BTW what was the Bios setting prior to changing it? Auto should have worked also but you may have needed to have a monitor input connected to Intel Mobo output as well as the Nvidia output.

Good to see things are cranking along now!

Peter

@Scenestealer@Scenestealer@Scenestealer

Hi Guys.

I've just run the test I gave out again on my new install and performance has improved. Results are on my 36 hours of testing thread. Most of the changes would not make any difference to Gid's setup unfortunately but may give hints as to where improvements could be made.

Hi Gid.

One parameter that seems to effect playback responsiveness but not exporting times is the setting of the audio buffer. Tweaking that can result in much smoother playback and responsiveness to play controls.

One thing I do hate about MEP is the audio side of things. When playing back a mix any alteration of the sonic performance of a track is not immediate. I have to wait a few seconds to hear the alteration come through. The audio is not lagging so why the wait? Try altering a compressor setting or a frequency curve to see what I mean.

For an LNE that is so good at handling the visual side of things, the audio sadly lags way behind.

I know most people don't need to mix half a dozen audio tracks or more and Magix probably don't want their NLE to compete with their audio mixing programs but the basics should still be competitive.

Hi Peter.

You should look at the new images I have posted. The CPU cores now seem to be doing more work on the new instillation.

Hi Gid.

The CPU on my system can go higher as you suggest but I seldom see the clock speed rise above 4.71 MHz. My i9 processor is mid range for that processor. The higher end ones are way too expensive. I also like to keep my processor as cool as I can so the average wattage use of the CPU when exporting is around 56 watts and the temperature has never exceeded 48c to my knowledge. In fact the PCH temperature on average gets slightly warmer than the CPU. The temperature of my CPU at idle is around 29c at present while the PCH is 10 degrees c hotter and the CPU is currently using 5.3 watts of power at a clock speed of around 0802.0 MHz.

Aren't there some i7 processors with higher clock speeds than mine? I do think clock speeds rather than cores are more important for these applications and gaming.

Ray.

Thanks, I'm not sure how to adjust audio buffering, on the pc or in magix? but most of my vids are simple cuts & transitions with a few added pics n subtitles, sometimes i have to take audio from one clip n add it to another because in one i was talking rubbish or fumbled my words but the footage was better than the other, i just resay the sentence without worrying where the camera is pointing, 🤪 I've been playing with the import/export, haven't changed anything & am well happy with it, everything importing faster & exporting in ½ the length of the created vid project, ie, a 7min vid exported in 3.5mins so thankyou again, my original comment/request (wish) has been granted 😊😊👍

@Former user @CubeAce

Just had a look at your page n i says you have an Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU, i googled it & i think it is 8/16 cores? do you get much faster export speeds or is there a limit to the speed that Magix can work at?

My guess is yes! More cores do not make a huge difference - each core just seems to get used less. There is some evidence to suggest that higher CPU clock speed helps. It is almost as though the program is limited on high end machines so that it still works reasonably well on mid range and lower end machines that probably represent the majority of users hardware.

I saw a 1min difference in export between the 2 drives. 7.5mins for the SATA SSD & 6.5mins with the m.2 evo plus

It may be possible that your original SSD being only 120GB was too full which can slow them down considerably but drive speed should not be a huge factor in exporting times because most of the bottle neck is in the processing of the Video on the CPU and GPU.

That warning you got about the Intel Control Panel was just telling you it was installing the control panel software but was probably as a result of the change in the bios allowing the Intel GPU hardware to activate. BTW what was the Bios setting prior to changing it? Auto should have worked also but you may have needed to have a monitor input connected to Intel Mobo output as well as the Nvidia output.

Good to see things are cranking along now!

Peter

Thanks Peter, yep all is doing more like I'd like & justifies the spending on the new drive, that's what i thought maybe reg cores, mine used to run at 60-70% when exporting but now with these changes it's really low 20%-ish, there's plenty of cpu still available but it's not being used, that's why i ask if there's a limit to the speed that Magix will work at. yep i realise now the warning was just a star-up app, I've dealt with that with the off switch in start-up settings 😏 I couldn't remember what the BIOS setting was for internal graphics but with making videos about my work & modern phones being so good, I've now I've got used to filming or taking pictures, esp when I'm taking stuff apart so I've got something to refer back to, so i filmed bits of this, this is a frame from the clip where i was looking for the boot sequence after fitting the m.2 hardrive, i didn't see any difference until i set it to enabled,

This is the 1920x1080 4min clip i imported into Magix to find the right frame, in the past this import would take more than a minute, I was always conscious of how long i was filming my work knowing it would take ages to load when i came to edit, now i hardly had time to open the camera 😂😂👍👍

@Former user

The audio buffering in MEP Gid.

It does make differences to some aspects of playback when in large projects with a lot of audio tracks but otherwise can be turned down if not needed. Doesn't make any difference to export times.

I thought that imported clip looked more like eight minutes long.

Ray.

@Former user

Yes it is obviously using the Intel GPU and Quick Sync HWA to render the proxy files making the import much quicker, but now you have the machine performing so well do you really need to create proxies at all? I never use them even with 4K and your processor and iGPU is a later spec. than mine.

mine (CPU?) used to run at 60-70% when exporting but now with these changes it's really low 20%-ish, there's plenty of cpu still available but it's not being used, that's why i ask if there's a limit to the speed that Magix will work at.

Yes it does seem a pity that the CPU could not do more work seeing as it has offloaded a lot to the GPU.

Peter

@Former user

 

I thought that imported clip looked more like eight minutes long.

Ray.

If you pause that clip at 0.27 it shows the length at the screen top 👍 Yep I prob don't need proxy, i haven't tried but i did turn the lightening symbol off that Use proxy/reduce frame rate/reduce resolution & it still worked well, I did have to go into sound settings & enable Stereo Mix to capture sound when screen capturing, we went through that in my previous post a little while ago,

I'm still not sure what audio buffering is 😂😂

my phone's record volume is really poor, i always have to turn the sound up to +4db-ish.

Just read the help section on buffering & i sort of understand it a bit 👍

I turned off Create proxy files & turned the lightening symbol off, just tried it with a few clips & added some random transitions, it worked fine 😁 I'll see how it goes but that will save more time 😁👍 Thanks

I understand that creating proxy files helps playback while in the program but just out interest, i created 2 project folders with exactly the same files in each, one i loaded & didn't create proxy files, the other i loaded & did create proxy files, they both exported at exactly the same length of time, So the proxy files have nothing to do with exporting,

@Former user

Hi Gid.

When you run any amount of tracks in parallel and have to keep them in sync, the drives can bottleneck and either stutter the playback or cause a static crackling type of sound. To prevent that an amount of the audio data is shoved into the ram and retrieved in blocks to relieve pressure on the drive holding the audio. Why audio is such a big problem compared to video I'm not sure but even dedicated audio editors have to run audio buffers that makes syncing tracks to each other quite difficult as adding additional blocks of data to the buffers or adding more buffers introduces delays of their own between tracks. The audio coming out is delayed compared to audio going in. It can make multi-track recording impossible. You can already hear those problems in MEPs audio mixer. Adjust a sound with say the graphic equalizer and it will be a few seconds before you hear the adjustment. That means you can overdo an effect before you realize what you have done. It makes fine-tuning of audio difficult.

Ray.

Thanks, must be a pain for those making more complicated audio videos, thankfully i rarely have audio stacked but if i come across these issues I'll have a look & play with it, thanks for letting me know, 👍

@Former user

Hi

. . . . So the proxy files have nothing to do with exporting . . . .

That is correct, they are to make the preview playback smoother on computers which do not have enough 'horsepower'.

@CubeAce

. . . . run any amount of tracks in parallel and have to keep them in sync, the drives can bottleneck and either stutter the playback or cause a static crackling type of sound . . . .

I have never seen drives bottleneck on complex multi tracks in parallel - it is the CPU/GPU that is bottlenecking - they cannot render the preview video in real time fast enough and you get stutter - you can see this in the intro of your project.

John EB