HEVC/H.265 files in Magix 2021 premium

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fergie wrote on 7/10/2022, 1:00 PM

Hi Ray, I just wanted to see if my HEVC files would play and edit in FILMORA, and they do. I prefer to work with Magix since I am so use to it. Just a pity can't figure out how to solve the problem with HEVC codec. Will get in touch with Magix technical see if they can help.

MEP 2021

Processor: intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5960X CPU @ 3.00GHz   3.00 GHz

Installed RAM: 32.0 GB

System type: 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

Windows 10 home

Version: 21H2

NVIDIA Geforce GTX 970

 

emmrecs wrote on 7/10/2022, 3:11 PM

@Jose-Patino

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Scenestealer wrote on 7/11/2022, 6:40 PM

@AAProds @johnebaker @CubeAce @Former user @fergie

Hi All

Please note that the i7 5960X processor does not have an on board graphics chip.

Also MEP2021 only has the Infusion Engine 2 which as far as I can remember does not use the NVENC chip for HWA decoding / encoding.....?

@AAProds

. . . . ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP . . . .

Why do you say that? It shows up in your screenshot of MEP program settings. The question is more "why doesn't it show up in the performance graphs in task manager"

Thanks for pointing out to other posters that saying just " .MP4" can lead to confusion as to which Codec is being used - I have been meaning to mention this myself.

Peter

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

AAProds wrote on 7/11/2022, 7:38 PM

@Scenestealer

. . . . ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP . . . .

Why do you say that? It shows up in your screenshot of MEP program settings. The question is more "why doesn't it show up in the performance graphs in task manager"

Peter, I say that because for all encodes MEP says "no hardware encoding".

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CubeAce wrote on 7/11/2022, 8:58 PM

@AAProds @Scenestealer @emmrecs @fergie

. . . ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP . . . .

Why do you say that? It shows up in your screenshot of MEP program settings. The question is more "why doesn't it show up in the performance graphs in task manager"

Peter, I say that because for all encodes MEP says "no hardware encoding".

That doesn't mean any GPU is ignored completely as it can still be pressed into use for 3D graphics calculations or Copy and the vram could still be pressed into service. It is just not used for encode or decode duties. Inboard GPUs do not have dedicated vram though but used reserved system memory which is much slower than dedicated vram. I was aware the processor did not have a GPU but early motherboards could still often have a graphics port on them. Whether it could be pressed into service or not I'm not sure when there was no GPU present on the processor. I have always has an nvidia GPU or some kind in the past once I started using Intel CPUs.

Ray.

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Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

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Scenestealer wrote on 7/12/2022, 1:08 AM

@AAProds @CubeAce

Hi Al

Ok, but @fergie question was about no display during playback so, as Ray concurs, the Radeon card should still be showing activity whilst previewing as it uses Direct X to accelerate effects, etc.

I can not explain why your AMD GPU is not showing in TM. Have you tried using GPU-Z 's sensor tab to observe activity during playback?

Ray

"...early motherboards could still often have a graphics port on them."

That would be going back a very very long way when there was some sort of graphics chip on the Mobo which I am almost certain could not be utilised for HWA in MEP.

I have tested ferg's H.265 file in MEP 2016 where it would not play and displayed as some weird coloured matrix, but MEP 2022 ( Infusion engine3) and VPX12 (Infusion engine 2) played it smoothly with less than 10% CPU load and 20% GPU load on the INtel and 20% Nvidia when all Video mode settings in MEP were set to Nvidia.

Interestingly my Nvidia Dedicated Ram showed 2.9GB of 6GB used but this rose to 5.9 GB with about 80% load on the Intel if the processing selection was set to Intel HD530, as I think you experienced.

John EB

I wondered about the additional Timecode data but this is only a strip to sync other camera together on set and in post so it should not upset things. I have tested other Professional Prores files with TC and a raft of camera settings in the Media Info Metadata and they seem happy.

Peter

 

 

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CubeAce wrote on 7/12/2022, 1:26 AM

@Scenestealer

Oh Yes! AMD Athlon running Win 98. awful graphics capability often resulting in just a green screen just trying to play a video clip off of the internet.

I have no idea how long motherboards retained a graphics port but probably until Motherboards used HDMI. Motherboards still have mouse ports so...😉.

I tnterestingly my Nvidia Dedicated Ram showed 2.9GB of 6GB used but this rose to 5.9 GB with about 80% load on the Intel if the processing selection was set to Intel HD530, as I think you experienced.

Correct but less vram usage as I only have 4GB of vram.

Ray.

 

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 7/12/2022, 3:03 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . I wondered about the additional Timecode data but this is only a strip to sync . . . .

After a little more digging, mainly looking at the MAC side, Quicktime Pro can extract the telemetry from MP4 files which have the telemetry data encoded.

The MP4 container file must have the data encoded in 'streams' so it would be a a reasonable assumption that the 'Timecode' channel also contains the telemetry data, additionally if the timecode stream was standard SMPTE timecode VPX should be able to extract it.

John EB

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AAProds wrote on 7/25/2022, 7:12 AM

@Scenestealer @johnebaker

Peter, John, sorry for the tardy response to your earlier queries! My memory (pardon the pun) was piqued by the latest HEVC topic.

. . . . ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP . . . .

Why do you say that? It shows up in your screenshot of MEP program settings.

I can advise that, using GPU-Z, I can see my GPU is being used a little. For playback of the timeline (video, images and Neat on one clip), it kicks up to 10% fleetingly, mostly around 1-3%. For export, it's virtually dead; sometimes 1-2%. The CPU is going pretty hard for export.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12