Hi, do you know how I can play and edit HEVC/H.265 files in Magix 2021 premium, do I have to pay extra for this, if so, how do I go about getting this codec?
HEVC/H.265 files in Magix 2021 premium
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CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 12:54 PM
Hi Fergie.
For you it looks like a hardware issue as it plays on my system. I suspect it is playing slightly better on Gids' system than mine as his system is a beast compared to mine but it plays on my system just fine. My system may be at it's limit though with this file.
I can make the program use either the Intel GPU for video processing or my nvidia card which copes slightly better. The Intel GPU is the inboard one on my processor and is an HD630. The nvidia card is a GTX 1650 Super.
What is worrying is the file is using all of the vram on my nvidia card regardless of which GPU is in use so the Intel HD 630 may not play back the file as smoothly without the aid of the vram which is being pressed into service regardless. The Program is Movie Edit Pro 2022 / Movie studio 2022 . VPX will also be able to use the file.
Note my vram is totally used up.
This is with the nvidia doing most of the decoding but the Intel can do that as well.
It is just a case of altering some of the program settings but that will depend on your hardware.
This is not to say you will not be able to access the file or use it but we now need to know your complete computer specs to find out and see if it is possible to change some of your program settings to get it working although the file may (or may not) stutter during playback. It should however export OK if we can get the program to at least show the files.
As I said earlier, the more complex the codec in use HEVC vs MP4 (basic H264) the more processing a computer system has to have. You may have the program set up wrong or it may be you do not have some of the hardware needed for playback within an editing program as it is a different requirement from playing it back in a dedicated player such as VLC.
Time to give us your computer specs in full please if you can please.
They can be found in Windows / Settings and then scroll to the bottom and click on About.
Do not give out your computer ID, Device name, or any of the other personal information on that page.
Just the processor model and complete number, Amount of installed ram. Windows version and build number.
Then if you have another GPU as well the model and make please.
Ray.
Former user
wrote on 7/9/2022, 1:07 PM
@CubeAce Yeah doesn't make much of a dent on my system, all i can show is there's no prob with that file, if there was a problem it would show regardless of my pc specs, I suspect once that HEVC codec is installed that Magix pop-up is offering all will be resolved 🤷♂️😂👍🙈
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 1:11 PM
Yes it's only a few quid might as well purchase the codec and see if it works. Really appreciate the support.
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 1:31 PM
Hi I just paid for the HEVC codec, and activated it. Unfortunately I still can't see the picture.
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 1:54 PM
Yes I can see the thumbnails in windows explorer, I'll get the system specs/
Former user
wrote on 7/9/2022, 2:06 PM
@fergie Did you restart your PC?
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 2:11 PM
Hi Ray hope this helps
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5960X CPU @ 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz
Installed ram: 32.0 GB
Windows 10 home, version: 21H2
OS build:19044.1766
Nvidia GTX 970
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 2:32 PM
If the files are playing fine in windows does that mean the graphics card is up to date?
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 2:35 PM
Where would I find the latest drivers to download in nvidia?
CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 2:49 PM
If the files are playing fine in windows does that mean the graphics card is up to date?
No, not really.
Where would I find the latest drivers to download in nvidia?
Click on the blue link above in my last reply.
Anything we put text wise that comes up blue are normally links to other web pages.
Ray.
johnebaker
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:03 PM
Hi
Your video clip loads and edits as it should in MEP 2021 using the Magix HEVC codec.
@Former user
Can you export as HEVC in MEP?
If so either you did purchase the Magix HEVC codec or it is using the installed Vegas Pro codec.
John EB
CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:14 PM
Hi John.
Don't you mean the Microsoft HEVC Codec? The Magix one is just the encoder only needed for export, not decoder needed for playback.
Ray.
CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:26 PM
@johnebaker @fergie @Former user
It is possible to export as an HEVC file but only as an 8bit file using MEP. There is no 10 bit export option.
From MEP.
General
Complete name : J:\10 bit HEVC file to delete.MP4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : iso4 (iso4/hvc1)
File size : 435 MiB
Duration : 1 min 48 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 33.8 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main@L5@High
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 min 48 s
Bit rate : 33.6 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.162
Stream size : 433 MiB (100%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
Codec configuration box : hvcC
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 117 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.51 MiB (0%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:15:48
VPX gives the option to save as a 10 bit HEVC file and use the BT: 2002 colour profile.
General
Complete name : G:\10 bit HEVC file to delete VPX.MP4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : iso4 (iso4/hvc1)
File size : 284 MiB
Duration : 1 min 7 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 35.1 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@Main
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 min 7 s
Bit rate : 35.1 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.169
Stream size : 283 MiB (100%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Codec configuration box : hvcC
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 1 min 7 s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 117 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 972 KiB (0%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Tagged date : UTC 2022-07-09 20:22:03
Please excuse the inconstant file lengths. Not relevant as I used multiple instances of the file in both.
Ray.
johnebaker
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:36 PM
Hi Ray
. . . . Don't you mean the Microsoft HEVC Codec?. . . . .
No - the first line of my my comment is very specific, though it is export at 8 bit as you say.
I am now re-installing the Microsoft HEVC Codec.
John EB
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:48 PM
I have an older version of Magix, movie edit 2017 plus, in that I can see the HEVC file thumbnails, when I click to import i get a message to activate, I paste the code that i purchased but it doesn't work but at least I can see the thumbnails which I can't see in magix 2021 premium. I'll wait for Nvidia to update see if it makes a difference.
johnebaker
wrote on 7/9/2022, 3:54 PM
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 4:34 PM
Yes john copied and pasted everything
CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 4:46 PM
Hi.Fergie.
I've just realized the GTX 970 has a Maxwell processor and although supports Direct X 12 does not support NVENC encoding that MEP 2021 needs to use with HEVC.
MEP 2017 was probably still using CUDA.
You may need a newer nvidia card. I have added John Baker for conformation as I am now getting out of my experience zone. I am not sure if disabling 'Use Hardware acceleration for encoding and decoding' will help you 'see' the image in MEP 2021 but the file handling will probably then be awful without hardware acceleration help.
Then again disabling hardware acceleration may be OK as the system may still be able to use the vram of the 970 for faster processing via the CPU.
Ray.
fergie
wrote on 7/9/2022, 5:03 PM
Thank you Ray, you have been very helpful. I just wanted to see if I was able to edit h.265 d-cinelike 10 bit in magix movie 2021 premium, the DJI drone gives me the option to shoot in that format. If my graphics card will not handle it then I will shoot in MP 4 8 bit
CubeAce
wrote on 7/9/2022, 5:35 PM
Hi Fergie.
It may still be possible if the processor can handle the encoding load on its own. It can be done by MEP totally in software. The processor is handling DDR4 ram, all be it a bit slow but you also have DDR5 in the nvidia card which MEP may be able to use to make up the shortfall in speed. It is worth trying disabling the hardware encoding in MEPs Program setting.
Within MEP 2021 that would be '
File / Settings / Program / Display option / Video mode: Top box / Compatibility mode (Video for Windows)
Bottom box will then go blank..
Then proceed to the next tab Import/Export and un-tick Hardware acceleration for playback if possible and the one for export.
That may still work OK. I just tried it on my machine and it works. It is not that smooth but good enough for a basic edit You could also use proxy files and reduce the frame rate the project is running at and that should help.
Exporting is very slow though.
I had to use VPX 12 to try that out as the settings and setup are closer to those of MEP 2021 than my current copy of MEP 2022. Results should be very similar though as should the setup.
When new your system was a very powerful machine, not to mention expensive. People do this to help with 'Future proofing' but the sad fact is the electronics industry moves at such a pace that leading edge can become middle of the road within a year. It didn't help when nvidia changed the rules and dropped the use of CUDA, That was probably inevitable from their point of view as more efficient ways of encoding became available but still a shock to consumers.
My own take on things is to go more 'middle of the road' but more often with my builds. Only then upgrading the bits I need to continue using newer programs when they are needed. Not so difficult once you have one or two self builds under your belt and getting easier to do it yourself as the tech gets better and easier to put together.
Ray.