@CubeAce while I fully understand buying the full version will leave the previous version there, I'm not into spending more money than necessary. It's just not in the "cards" to spend another $60 more, just to keep 2022 on my computer.

The other software I am familiar with and have on my computer, only Davinci Resolve Studio (and the free version) overwrite the previous version when upgrading. But if you keep the older installation file, you can go back. Vegas Pro, every new version, you still have the older versions still on your computer. And there are others.

To remove the serial number from your account of 2022 doesn't give you the option of going back if there are bugs that are making the software for the user, unstable, is there? I do remember the VPX13 issues .....

@me_again

Bugs are more or less fixed. Good. 

Nope. The backup-stealing-the-mouse-bug is still there; try doing some colour adjustments when an autobackup runs!

While the Section effect no longer disappears when you change objects, MMS's handling of VHS captures (720x576 5:4) is totally borked. It puts black pillarbox bars on the exports (as displayed on the Preview monitor). @clement5 alluded to this a while ago with MEP 2022 when the new SPR feature was introduced and it is the same.

The jumping/flashing/frame substitution on HUFFYUV and Lagarith AVIs is back (it was fixed temporarily by the last patch of MEP 2022).

Not Happy Jan (from this ad)!

@Reyfox

But if you keep the older installation file, you can go back. 

Do that with Magix. Folder for the 2023 trial download is:

C:\Users\your user name in here\Documents\MAGIX Downloads\Installationsmanager\Video_deluxe_2023_Plus_22.0.3.152_DLV_INT_220823_13-01_0aa44e18_22_0_3_152.exe

Copy it before you click yes to start the main install. You can do the same with the patches.

 

Bugs are more or less fixed. Good. 

Nope. The backup-stealing-the-mouse-bug is still there; try doing some colour adjustments when an autobackup runs!

While the Section effect no longer disappears when you change objects, MMS's handling of VHS captures (720x576 5:4) is totally borked. It puts black pillarbox bars on the exports (as displayed on the Preview monitor). @clement5 alluded to this a while ago with MEP 2022 when the new SPR feature was introduced and it is the same.

The jumping/flashing/frame substitution on HUFFYUV and Lagarith AVIs is back (it was fixed temporarily by the last patch of MEP 2022).

!

 

@AAProds The backup always gets me just as i'm going to export & I have to click File again 😒😂

Can you explain he 5:4 black bars a bit more?

Here i created a 5:4 clip in VP, added it to MS2023, exported as 720x576 5:4

added the export clip back into MS, it plays on VLC fine & in MS there's no black bars

I put it on the Vegas timeline just so i could see what it's like a bit better, still no black bars

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I also added the orig 16:9 of this video to the 5:4 MS project, clicked No don't adjust when i dragged it on so it didn't change the project size from 5:4, Exported it, no black bars either.

@AAProds Would you share that orig unedited VHS capture file on Google Drive that you posted above?

@AAProds

Bugs are more or less fixed. Good. 

Nope ......... MMS's handling of VHS captures (720x576 5:4) is totally borked

Ahh, I do a fair amount of VHS/Lagarith stuff. That's a definite -3 points so I think I'll wait a while before upgrading, which I'm sure will happen at some time.

Shame really because after a couple of cups of seriously strong tea, I'd decided to go for it.

Thanks Al - I think 😖AndyW

@Former user @me_again

Gid, here is the file:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z-ORsVwugcD5tA0f1OgXEtSKixggHXeY/view?usp=sharing

You'll need to install the Lagarith codec. Get it from here:

https://www.videohelp.com/software/Lagarith-Lossless-Video-Codec

If you have trouble seeing the size of the black side edges of the frame, open it in VLC Player at 4:3 ratio.

Analogue lossless captures are unique beasts because they don't have a proper aspect ratio in the file data. Mediainfo reads it as 5:4, but they are actually 4:3. Whether this is the characteristic that Magix suddenly can't deal with I don't know. Every version up to and including MEP 2021 dealt with the ratios of these files correctly.

Edit: video file on Google Drive updated (link is the same). First version was corrupted.

 

Edit: video file on Google Drive updated (link is the same). First version was corrupted. That'll be why i was getting this i guess

@AAProds Thanks,  I downloaded the codec but was getting this, i guess because of the corruption,

It loads now i've downloaded the file again,

I've set the project to 5:4, i see the black lines but weird how the Size /Position doesn't fit the 5:4 project either, I haven't changed those S/P controls,

Set at 4:3 it's worse, if i click Original Size it crops top & bottom,

I didn't pay any attention to the frame rate in the pics above,

, but i did drag the file in again & clicked Adjust, this time it set the project at 4:3 25fps & it had quite big black bars just like the 4:3 one i did above,..

Yeah it doesn't like that file/format,

Converted with Handbrake & it shows small black borders which must be part of the orig capture

In MS the Handbrake converted file shows those borders as expected, the project auto adjusted to 5:4 when clicking Adjust when dragging the file in, & S/P fits the 5:4 screen automatically as it should with no alterations,

'MMS's handling of VHS captures (720x576 5:4) is totally borked', that's a bit of a general statement, it would appear to my novice eyes in this particular case it's more to do with that Lagarith format/codec rather than solely MS itself

@AAProds & @Former user

Gentlemen,

I was drinking yet another cup of strong tea and had a "blast from the past". I remembered something I'd read in the old original Magix Forum (i can't remember what it was called) about there being a problem with AVI's in MEP 1872 or some early version..

I've just tried it and Al's video loads as it should. Well in 2022 anyway

In File / Program Settings uncheck "AVI Import Module" then load the video and black bars appear as they should..

When you reload MEP/MS the AVI Import is checked again by default.

It still doesn't export as 4:3 but try it. It may work in 2023 and be more to your liking.

AndyW

@me_again Hi, tried that, thought i had anyway, but tried it again, it loaded as 4:3 this time & the image filled the project. The SPR fitted correctly but the image on playback was jumpy jumpy, that was then transferred into the exported file which was also jumpy jumpy on there too,

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PS . 'Mediainfo reads it as 5:4, but they are actually 4:3.'

I'm not sure i understand exactly what is expected of this file because 720 x 576 is 5:4, 720 x 540 is 4:3,

So this LAGD file is 5:4 & when i converted with Handbrake it read the file as 5:4 correctly,

@CubeAce @AAProds

Thanks for tryjng it. Glad my memory is still working and the video was able to be seen as 4:3 using the workaround.

The jumpy playback is preumably what @AAProds said had returned in 2023. The playback is smooth on my 2022 patched version.

720x576 uses rectangular pixels to artificially give DAR 4:3 whereas 720X540 uses square pixels to give a true DAR of 4:3 - I think that's right anyway, I'm sure someone will correct it if I'm wrong.

AndyW

My point is that these files worked fine in MEP 2021 (apart from the jerkiness). They don't work fine in MMS 2022 and 2023.

@Former user

Gid, the file is 4:3. It is not 5:4. Ignore what Mediainfo is saying. That 5:4 flag is incorrect. All VHS SD captures are like this. It's borked because it used to work but now it doesn't.

@me_again

Andy, I tried disabling the AVI import but that resulted in black video in the monitor and no audio.

@AAProds OK, It was you that mentioned MediaInfo not me & I did read your comments about being it 4:3 not 5:4 but everything else on my PC says it's 5:4, anyway I hope you find a solution,

@AAProds, @Former user

Hi Alwyn, Gid

The AR confusion of the video clip is due to the video being anamorphic.

MediaInfo is correct in reporting the AR, 720:576 = 5:4, however due to the video being anamorphic the AR of the viewed pixels is not square, the DVD player scaling the video appropriately to either the 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio, depending on whether the video is flagged as 4:3 or 16:9 (widescreen).

John EB

@AAProds

Greetings Alwyn

Andy, I tried disabling the AVI import but that resulted in black video in the monitor

Aah. So it's not as effective for you as it is for me, producing 1 big black border instead of 2 narrower ones. Hmmm, I see your point.

Sorry about that - AndyW

@johnebaker

MediaInfo is correct in reporting the AR, 720:576 = 5:4, however due to the video being anamorphic the AR of the viewed pixels is not square

John, Mediainfo isn't correct, it is just reporting what it sees in the file data, or perhaps it can't read the data/maybe it's not even there and therefore hypothesises that the ratio is 5:4 because that's what 720/576 is.

My point is MEP 2021 will correctly fill the 4:3 movie setting window with one of these videos (in my example, with just narrow fuzzy black sides, which are in the file). MEP 2023 won't do this: it treats the video as a 5:4, and adds extra black bars on the sides, I suspect filling in the extra pixels from 5:4 to 4:3 (540 to 576, 18 per side), instead of expanding to fill. The Size and Position "Original Size" button forces the proper ratio (4:3) but "Section" won't do that. There is no "Original Size" option in Section. I much prefer Section because with SPR you can't see the edge of the video so you don't know how much you've chopped off.

It appears to me that the "Section" effect is erroneously computing the AR in a similar manner to Mediainfo.

@AAProds

Al, when you have a couple of minutes spare try this:

• Load video
• Right click it, select properties and convert to 5:4
• Go to SPR and apply, uncheck "Combine input fields", change width to 720 and re-check "Combine imput fields"

Any use to you?

AndyW

ps for zooming etc you will have to use camer/zoom because SPR will revert the size back.

It's a faff I know

@me_again

Andy thanks, that works but is the same as clicking the "Original Size" button in MMS 2023.

What I did discover is that in MMS 2023 changing the video Aspect Ratio makes no difference to the displayed clip. 5:4 is the same as 4:3. In MEP 2021, the clip changes shape between 4:3 and 5:4. I think that's part of the bug right there.

@browj2

Hi John.

Hi Ray,

Confirmed that MS2023 Plat/Suite can export to png. I seem to recall that you mentioned something about exporting to png with transparency - that cannot be done and never could.

I do indeed use PNG files with transparency as well as PSD files. Both created with Photoshop.

I use PNG files from MEP for YouTube to select the frame I want to show for my video.

As for what happens in your account, unless you are still under the Update Service program, I doubt that your previous version would disappear from your account. If you pay to upgrade, not new, you would most likely get a new entry for MS2023 and a new serial number. Your previous one, if you had one for 2022, would remain - assuming that you did not get it under the Update Service. With the Update Service, no version is indicated, but Magix knows which version you last paid for.

This is what is registered in my current Magix account

The real problem is that 2023 will overwrite 2022. If you want to go back, then you would have to remove 2023 and get 2022 from your account, assuming that it was paid for and not obtained through the Update Service. If it was obtained through the Update Service, then you would likely fall back to 2021.

Complicated enough?

Not really John.

I'm using MEP 2022 at present as you know and yet this shows for MEP 2022.

According to that I haven't even activated it yet.

Complicated enough? 🤣

Sorry, I couldn't resist that and just had to reply in kind, but it is a mystery to me.

Getting the problems with Size/Position/Rotation, Section, Camera Zoom and Track motion fixed are worth the price of admission. However, they should have been fixed under 2022.

I agree it should have been fixed in the 2022 version as it was broken by Magix. But then what would they have had to offer those without newer systems? Maps for those that use them.

I can work around the old problems except a new one at least has cropped up for me. Opening a project that was working a short time back (remember the last challenge I set?) I find the tracking of the faces is still in tact but all the settings for the blurring of the faces has gone from every one of the objects I put into the project. I am going to have to redo them just so I can re-export the project for one spelling mistake I picked up on. 🤬

@AAProds

Hi Al.

Is it possible that something in Windows itself is causing problems for you or is everything still running OK in earlier versions of MEP?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Is it possible that something in Windows itself is causing problems for you or is everything still running OK in earlier versions of MEP?

Ray, no problems in this regard with MEP 2021 (apart from the jerky video).

@AAProds

Hi Al.

Then would it have anything to do with working with MPEG?

As far as I can tell 720x576 and 720X540 are not fully divisible.

Please excuse my ignorance. I'm just trying to work out why this worked and now doesn't.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Ray, I doubt it. The problem arose with the new SPR feature in MEP 2022.

As for that note, one of our colourful poliies has a now immortal saying: "Please explain?!". A ratio divisible by 8. Hmmm...