@Scenestealer

Hi Peter. I've just seen this post.

Just added a missed step in Bios mentioned in my earlier post (to ensure Quicksync functions in a multi GPU setup) for clarity.

I will check that as soon as I put the M.2 modules in. Possibly next week.

I would not worry about changing BIOS settings and stuffing something up. In your case the existing settings will be Default settings which can easily be Reset.

When my son and I put this system together he did alterations to the bios then which is why I'm reluctant at this point to alter anything.

I'm not sure changing the Windows settings does anything in that department If I want the MEP preview monitor to show on the monitor powered by the Intel chip.

It's OK. I swapped the monitor positions and leads around. It was the quickest and neatest solution.

I am not sure either but others say that the main MEP Gui should be on the Primary Monitor which is connected to the motherboard (iGPU).

That is how it is configured and I would concur it seems smoother.

PS. Please read my reply above this one as for some reason your link didn't take when I published the comment.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I'm not sure whether I made it clear within this thread or not but I bought my Motherboard, CPU, ram,and heat pipe heat sink as a per-assembled and tested package. I checked versions of the bios with those on the Asus site for the ROG STRIX Z390-F against the website's versions and I'm only one version behind one VGA bios update.

Yes, sorry I thought you had assembled the parts yourself.

When my son and I put this system together he did alterations to the bios then which is why I'm reluctant at this point to alter anything.

Fair enough, it would be interesting for me to know what he changed

Interesting that the VGA driver on the Asus site is quite a lot older than the one on the Intel site, and the one for my older MoBo is a lot older. Just poor housekeeping from Asus I guess?

My main surprise so far is how well the machine has done with a fairly average graphics card and my current monitors.

Well MEP / VPX have never made big calls on the Graphics subsystem. Maybe a little more now with the Infusion engine and HEVC HWA in VPX.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

It was cheaper to buy it assembled than I could find on prices when the parts were to be bought individually and I had a good look around. The ram would have been twice as expensive on its own compared to what they charged for extra. Now I know how much another 16gig will set me back I wish I had ordered 64gig. I was worried that when assembled it might not survive transport but the packaging was incredibly good and the weight of the CPU heat-sink didn't seem to have harmed it in any way. It is truly the largest heat-pipe heat sink I've seen.

As far as changing bios settings. My last PC just stopped working. So my son loaded Linux using a USB stick to look at the old C: drives to transfer some odd bits and pieces of data he thought I might need. As it turned out I didn't need any of it but safer to check before wiping them. So he probably just changed the boot up priorities at that point and later possibly checked how the rest of the system was set. He didn't stay that long and we were a few leads short so didn't complete everything there and then. I got on with that later.

I thought the motherboard was overkill and although I do like it I have no need for illuminated motherboards, although having the sockets at the rear light up is useful.

The new power supply has a half power switch which would be useful if it was on the back of the unit and not the front. What use is that!

There used to be an Asus app that told you when new updates were available if it still exists. I haven't looked at that yet. Windows did an awful lot of updating of drivers at one point.

The Intel driver for graphics is currently 25.20.100.6374

The NVIDIA driver version is 24.21.13.9924

They appear to be up to date.

Some driver updates seem only to be relevant to gamers. Really not interested, those updates never stop.

When it's in use it's pressed into service much more than on my old machine using the new engine in MEP. Whenever I used HEVC it always said 'No Hardware encoding'. The GPU hardly ever showed much use, not that Win 7 ever made it easy to monitor.

Having said that I notice the 'Rate My System' check is missing in Win 10.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . The new power supply has a half power switch which would be useful if it was on the back of the unit and not the front. What use is that! . . . .

None, IMHO is is an extra switch to push ie a bit of a gimmick.

The power pack will only draw the amount of current needed from the mains as the MB/CPU/GPU and peripherals need, when idling it should draw < 10 W, and when rendering it may draw in the up to 100-150 W.

. . . . Whenever I used HEVC it always said 'No Hardware encoding' . . . .

The old PC did not support HEVC as it did not have a UHD iGPU in the processor and the GTX 1030 does not support it - surprisingly according to the NVidia GPU matrix neither does it support h.264 encoding.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I did wonder but there was no instruction manual with the power supply and no info on the box relating to the switch. If it's a limiter it would just ensure a failure in the system somewhere if it needed to draw more power. I'm stumped as to its purpose, EVGA stuff is normally well built. The modular design of being able to just plug in leads I need keeps the install quite tidy. It runs silent when it isn't drawing much power.

I was never sure I ever had any hardware encoding except when an export file closely matched the file it was rendering John. It even fell over processing raw still files if the folder contained enough images. The program just kept increasing the amount of ram as it read each file. Doesn't happen that way on the new setup. Again I've no idea why beyond it is Nikon software and probably coded in Japan. Programing doesn't seem to be a Japanese strong point. At least not commercially. Even their main photo editor, 'SilkyPix', is not that quick and resource hungry compared to other products.

I think graphics cards in general are aimed at gamers more than anyone else. It has to be a much larger market for manufacturers to focus on than us. Or do video editing program developers just take advantage of the bits of the cards architecture they can use?

The problem with planned obsolescence is it means whenever we buy new gear it will be as cutting edge as we can afford or the manufacturer can make. In turn it means eventually our processing needs increase. So the average person is always behind what is possible or affordable and once affordable almost at the point of obsolescence due to the new stuff being that much better. It's difficult to ignore as well. If I was using my oldest gear (I seldom sell or throw away anything if it still works) I'd still be working at a 640x720 resolution. Not only are my old videos not that large on an HD monitor, they suck quality wise as well compared to what I'm doing today. Only the audio has not really improved that much from then if I recorded at the highest quality I could with the best mics I could afford.

Still things are not that expensive compared to back then. I think my first decent PC cost me just under £2,000.

😁

@CubeAce

The Intel driver for graphics is currently 25.20.100.6374

The NVIDIA driver version is 24.21.13.9924

They appear to be up to date.

Can not be..... they are probably over a year old! What is telling you they are current? It would pay to install the Intel Driver Support Assistant which scans your system and notifies.

Current Intel is 26.20.100.7212 although the Asus site lists an earlier one which appears to be the newer DCH model as it tells you to uninstall older drivers before installing. This is quite important and Intel were telling us to not roll back once the DCH driver has been installed.

Current Nvidia driver ends in xxxx436.48 and like you I can not keep up with the Nvidia updates, but I do all the Intel updates seeing as Magix NLE's do so much work with the iGPU.

I will also install some of the Asus monitoring software as well as I'm used to using the old software and found it useful.

Did your Mobo come with Asus AI Suite3? This has a lot of tweakers and monitors that work well. Also GPUz and CPU-z from Tech PowerUp are good compact monitors for Loads, Temps and hardware specs.

@johnebaker

The old PC did not support HEVC as it did not have a UHD iGPU in the processor and the GTX 1030 does not support it - surprisingly according to the NVidia GPU matrix neither does it support h.264 encoding.

Yes it is the only one of the 10xx series that does not have the NVENC chip. As I have mentioned in earlier discussions, this only affects VPX HEVC HW encoding as MEP does not have this feature and neither program uses NVENC for H.264.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter. I had checked both sites.

I looked at the Intel drivers and on the Asus site about warnings on updates. Hence I'm not touching that side of things for now. It can wait. I also have the page for their tool.

Have you looked at the terms and conditions for using the tool?

Why would you do that when you can just download the drivers?

Not that I'm paranoid or even care beyond why do they do it. My phone tracks me wherever I go with detailed maps and timings. Even when it's switched off. My car tells my dealer when a service is required and they phone me to book one even though my dashboard constantly tells me how many more miles I can do before I need one. I'm just tired of the whole big data deal. It's annoying and unwanted. Most of it is beyond my control but what I can control I will. At least until someone pays me for the data I produce. It produces spam I don't need or want. It seems to have replaced the door to door salesman who at least I could not answer the door to 😠.

Enough rant 😃

The NVIDIA site showed me this.

Only gaming drivers are available, no new studio drivers for my card. For what reason do I need gaming drivers?

Yes I have a disk but no DVD drive at present. I will have to wait for my sons laptop. He should be back in the country by the end of the week.

The only recent problem I had turned out to be caused by a firewall setting and Avast being a bit too overenthusiastic. Why that effected MEP not being able to close down I've no idea but hasn't reoccurred since.

The other minor niggle is MEP does not play videos back at the end of rendering a file using HEVC but then it never did before either on my old machine. I though it was a Win 7 problem but appears to be more of a MEP problem.

I can play HEVC files with Windows Media Player and the thumbnails on a video file now show when I open a folder which I never could see in Win 7. So I've no idea why I don't get a preview after rendering in HEVC. I can go to the folder and play it from there but it doesn't automatically load as the MPEG-4 and other files do.

Again, not a big problem, just the question of why the difference?

Ray.

@CubeAce@CubeAce

Hi Ray, Peter

. . . . Current Intel is 26.20.100.7212 . . .

That is true, however they are the DCH model drivers - I too have not yet updated to them.

. . . . The other minor niggle is MEP does not play videos back at the end of rendering a file using HEVC but then it never did before either on my old machine. . . . .

Agreed - the option to Play out is disabled - this is at odds with for example MP4 h.264 or AVCHD which ignore the option despite being set to not play out.

John EB

@CubeAce @Scenestealer @johnebaker

 . . . Current Intel is 26.20.100.7212 . . .

That is true, however they are the DCH model drivers - I too have not yet updated to them

And nor have I! I did originally attempt the update but the result was a complete Windows failure, leading to me having to restore my complete C:\ drive. (The update seemed to create a conflict with my AMD Radeon GPU. I am yet to investigate any further!)

Jeff

@johnebaker

@emmrecs

Hi John.

The only use I found for ticking the 'Don't Play Out' box was when I wanted MEP to shut down my PC if I left it on to render overnight. Without ticking the box when I then next opened MEP it would tell me it had crashed and would I like to open the saved / restored new version which it created even though there was nothing wrong with the original project.

Hi Jeff.

The Intel drivers seem to be of two types which seem mutually excluding to each other. A system seems to need one or the other but not both. As I don't know which one is relevant this is another reason for me not doing anything until I see my son who has a much broader knowledge base than me on these topics and is a fully qualified Microsoft and Cisco Systems engineer among other relevant qualifications.

Hi All

No problems here with the DCH driver 26.20.100.7212. FWIW the Intel updater tool seems happy to recommend it after "interogating" my system. The word seems to be a clean install is recommended and that the new model works better with the 1903 W10 update.

To me the playing out after export seems to be sporadic with whatever codec.

@CubeAce

For what reason do I need gaming drivers? Maybe because there are no Studio drivers offered for that card? I am not sure what the difference is - perhaps a lighter download without the gaming bumf?

Or do video editing program developers just take advantage of the bits of the cards architecture they can use? Pretty much!

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I updated the Intel DCH driver to 26.20.100.7212 manually using the recommended exe. file version. But before I did I timed a render and a few other things like noting any lag in MEP when in use and wrote timings down.

Then I tried the same project both on playback and on rendering and if there is any difference in response times I can't time it or notice any differences. Maybe it's in the 4K realm that things improve, I don't know. End videos are the same size as before with no visible difference in output quality. I don't know what the update was supposed to do but it doesn't seem to have made anything worse of better. My son will be around in a weeks time to finish the upgrades.

I will post what we did and if any difference in performance is noted.

I have noticed that any titles used or anything involving wipes,fades etc. is using the NVIDIA card a lot and the only times the system slows down on either during playback in those sections or becomes slower on export where frame rates of rendering drop quite a bit where those things take place.

On average, an export is taking around twice as long as the movie clip is to play back in real time, and sometimes it's a bit quicker, but most of my videos do have a fair amount of fades, wipes, and general manipulation of some kind for possibly up to a third of the content.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Did you uninstall the previous driver in device manager before installing the new? Some say that this is advisable but I usually do not do it that way and just let the installer do it's thing. I must admit though I have thought about trying a clean install to see if this does anything.

The fact that other experienced members say they have seen improved performance is tricky because other things might change without one being aware, that affect testing. Are you on W10 update 1903? It does not say in your sig.

I have noticed that any titles used or anything involving wipes,fades etc. is using the NVIDIA card a lot and the only times the system slows down on either during playback in those sections or becomes slower on export where frame rates of rendering drop quite a bit where those things take place.

This will be affected during playback by what GPU you have chosen in the program settings>Display tab, and during export by whether you have Calculate video effects on GPU ticked. General opinion over the years is that ticking that often slows down export with a performance system but it can help a little also.

On average, an export is taking around twice as long as the movie clip is to play back in real time, and sometimes it's a bit quicker, but most of my videos do have a fair amount of fades, wipes, and general manipulation of some kind for possibly up to a third of the content.

I think this is probably about what you should expect with the type of material and editing you have alluded to previously. Unchanged footage can export very quickly but clips with effects and transformations generally slow things down quite a lot.

Thanks for the feedback. Very interesting.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I let the Intel installer do its thing. In the past it has aborted on my old system if it detects the wrong version is about to be installed so I think it's safer. That's why I used the exe. folder version.

Windows 10 is reporting I'm on the latest update. I've just used the update checker tool and it's set to auto update and it's telling me it's on 1903. I will update my profile.

I've also checked the Bios as I've now downloaded the tools for the motherboard from the Asus site but not altered any of the initial settings.

Bios was latest version already installed.

I've been ticking all boxes on export on all of the tests with the exception of the HDR box. I have, for this purpose also kept all the export settings the same as I used on the old system for comparison knowing I can't really push the new system harder than I pushed the old system at this point.

Using the Asus monitoring program during export I can report that the CPU is working as I stated earlier at between 32.2GHz to over 47Ghz and I can now tell all cores seem to be being used. Typing this and doing little else the CPU is registering 28c with a fan speed of 510rpm. On export of the project the CPU was between 32.2 to 47.67GHz with temperatures between 33 to a maximum of 42c Motherboard stayed steady at around 32c. Fan speed never exceeded 640rpm. So I've set the fan to kick in at quite a low temperature of 47c so I can hear it kick in early if the temperature starts to climb unexpectedly. I've no idea what the heat sinks fan speeds are as I didn't get any info on it. I will try to look it up. [EDIT] it's 2,700rpm max.

I am assuming at this point that the only way I will get smoother playback in the editing monitor or improve export time during graphics rendering now is to upgrade the GPU at some time as there is no obvious stress being placed on any part of the system within my normal video editing requirements.

I'm not even sure what the M.2 modules will bring to the system but my son's intentions is to use them for the Windows paging file system. I will wait and see if it does anything more than speed up the boot up time.

I suppose I should mention how much over my budget this has cost me.

Because I ended up ordering more ram than I first intended and added a new power supply the total so far has been just over £960. Eventually a new GPU should be around another £220 for a 1060 6gig NVIDIA card although I could probably get that down to about £176 if I shop around a bit.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I let the Intel installer do its thing. In the past it has aborted on my old system if it detects the wrong version is about to be installed so I think it's safer. That's why I used the exe. folder version.

I just read another comment from FredW who is a experienced computer tech on the German Forum telling a poster to uninstall the driver and device in Device Manager before installing a new graphics driver manually. He believes that overwriting with the installer can leave undesired traces of the previous driver. Some responders even use a tool called DDU - Display Driver Uninstaller to remove all traces in the registry, with reported success.

I am assuming at this point that the only way I will get smoother playback in the editing monitor or improve export time during graphics rendering now is to upgrade the GPU at some time as there is no obvious stress being placed on any part of the system within my normal video editing requirements.

I would be cautious in assuming that unless you are using the HEVC decoding and encoding acceleration on the Nvidia GPU that only comes with VPX. IMO with MEP there would be next to no improvement in playback and zero export acceleration with a higher end card with any codec used.

I will also be surprised if the M2 modules bring any improvement to your system either so let me know what you find there.

Cheers

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I've heard the same things with other installs as well. There are several warnings with the bios which is why I'm leaving those as well as a couple of other Asus driver installs.

I'm not so sure. MEP is using my graphics card a lot where there is titling on playback or where any effect using background masks except transitions and it's those point where I get stuttering playback, or not so much stuttering as the effect doesn't show properly but freezes as the clip background continues. As for exports. If you use a high enough bit rate during export, even in MPEG 4 the NVIDIA card is being used at around 37 to 42 % of capacity. Lower bit rates and it hardly kicks in. I've been using some insane bit rates just to look at which bits of the PC kick in. Nothing gets past 47% of capacity. CPU heat never gets above 43c. Fan speed on the CPU never gets past 720rmp. Motherboard so far stays around 32c. At idle the CPU clock speed is round 1.2GHz and even web browsing or typing like I am now hardly causes it to stir much above that.

We are planning on putting 2 x SanDisk SD8SN8U-256G-1122 X400 256 GB M.2 2280 6 GB/s Solid State Drives in.

Not sure myself what it will achieve but I do stills editing as well as video and the stills editing packages are still being a bit clunky in use (take time to respond to controls and adjust the image) and they definitely cache more than MEP seems to. If I had more than 450 stills images in a folder on my old PC it would eventually trip over and freeze once all the images were cached or even before that happened.

Also I will look to see if it improves import times of video clips into MEP as I like sound and video on separate tracks.

On a separate note. Any idea why some programs are asking me if I want to allow the program to make changes to this device every time I want to start it? Asus AI suite is a case in point.

I'm not a fan of the Win10 app look and would rather get to the bits I want more directly.

It's a pain in Win 10 looking for individual images by just browsing folders.

I don't need libraries to look after stuff.

I don't need idiot proofing or the layers upon layers to get to basics.

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting used to it, but grudgingly. 😒

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

MEP is using my graphics card a lot where there is titling on playback or where any effect using background masks except transitions and it's those point where I get stuttering playback.

Yes, the new engine should be using the GPUs more with more tracks so you may get some improvement, but your GT1030 is hardly saturated and you may just find the more powerful card is doing the same but showing less load, a bit like your new CPU.

If you use a high enough bit rate during export, even in MPEG 4 the NVIDIA card is being used at around 37 to 42 % of capacity.

Would need to think about that one but I guess more bits require more processing so more load.How high are the respective bitrates of the clips and export?

If I had more than 450 stills images in a folder on my old PC it would eventually trip over and freeze once all the images were cached or even before that happened.

Just been adding to a discussion here in the German Forum about reducing stills resolution prior to use in a project : - https://www.magix.info/uk/forum/bereits-im-projekt-eingefgte-bilder-im-projektordner-skalieren--1231666/

See my comments about options and use the Microsoft translator Add on in Edge browser.

Also I will look to see if it improves import times of video clips into MEP as I like sound and video on separate tracks.

I have said before that SSDs improve situations that require creation of auxiliary files like wave form, or extracted 5.1 Audio tracks, but then you say you have striped (Raid 0?) SSDs already so I do not know what extra M.2s will bring?

Any idea why some programs are asking me if I want to allow the program to make changes to this device every time I want to start it? Asus AI suite is a case in point.

I presume this is part of Windows UAC (User account Control) which should be able to be disabled.

I'm not a fan of the Win10 app look and would rather get to the bits I want more directly.

Know what you mean but I imagine there are customisations you can do to help that.

It's a pain in Win 10 looking for individual images by just browsing folders.

It's a pain in Win 10 looking for individual images by just browsing folders.

Not sure what you mean there? Don't you just use the file explorer (folder icon) in the task bar, or the search box?

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

Hi Ray

MEP is using my graphics card a lot where there is titling on playback or where any effect using background masks except transitions and it's those point where I get stuttering playback.

Yes, the new engine should be using the GPUs more with more tracks so you may get some improvement, but your GT1030 is hardly saturated and you may just find the more powerful card is doing the same but showing less load, a bit like your new CPU.

If the performance gains are in proportion to the amount of CUDA cores then yes I would expect a large improvement around that area of performance.

If you use a high enough bit rate during export, even in MPEG 4 the NVIDIA card is being used at around 37 to 42 % of capacity.

Would need to think about that one but I guess more bits require more processing so more load.How high are the respective bitrates of the clips and export?

At around 37Mbps (average, variable bit rate) there is next to no activity but if I match the bit rate of the imported clips which are 100Mbps average of 81Mbps then I see the percentage usage I mention above.

If I had more than 450 stills images in a folder on my old PC it would eventually trip over and freeze once all the images were cached or even before that happened.

Just been adding to a discussion here in the German Forum about reducing stills resolution prior to use in a project : - https://www.magix.info/uk/forum/bereits-im-projekt-eingefgte-bilder-im-projektordner-skalieren--1231666/

See my comments about options and use the Microsoft translator Add on in Edge browser.

Also I will look to see if it improves import times of video clips into MEP as I like sound and video on separate tracks.

I wasn't talking about using Magix products for stills editing but other photo editors dealing mainly with raw files rather than jpegs. My stills image folders are often over 64gig in size after a days shooting.

I'm not using the Edge browser but FireFox.I will have a look though.

I have said before that SSDs improve situations that require creation of auxiliary files like wave form, or extracted 5.1 Audio tracks, but then you say you have striped (Raid 0?) SSDs already so I do not know what extra M.2s will bring?

I think my son is of the impression that using the M.2 drives just for Windows Paging files will decrease search and fetch times. I have no idea if this is true or not and I may have this information wrong. Either way the M.2 rated speeds are 6gbps. Will wait and see. Should find out by the end of the weekend.

Any idea why some programs are asking me if I want to allow the program to make changes to this device every time I want to start it? Asus AI suite is a case in point.

I presume this is part of Windows UAC (User account Control) which should be able to be disabled.

Thanks. I will look into that.

[EDIT] Did you mean this setting?

Would lowering the setting and then starting the app allow it to be registered even after putting the security setting back to normal?

I'm not a fan of the Win10 app look and would rather get to the bits I want more directly.

Know what you mean but I imagine there are customisations you can do to help that.

It's a pain in Win 10 looking for individual images by just browsing folders.

It's a pain in Win 10 looking for individual images by just browsing folders.

Not sure what you mean there? Don't you just use the file explorer (folder icon) in the task bar, or the search box?

Sorry, that should have read. 'I prefer looking for images by just browsing folders in Windows explorer'.

I like to find an image and just right click 'Open With' if I need to edit.

I now have desktop shortcuts to individual drives so can do it from there.

Ray.

@CubeAce

If the performance gains are in proportion to the amount of CUDA cores then yes I would expect a large improvement around that area of performance.

Can't agree with that logic because this is about how much MEP is asking of your GPU - not much. The analogy would be if a 2 litre 4 cylinder car can drive comfortably at 50mph up a slight hill, would the experience be any better with a 5 litre V8 engine.

Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were referring to MEP with a lot of stills in the timeline which can use up memory and slow down or crash the program. Have a look at the link anyway.

We are planning on putting 2 x SanDisk SD8SN8U-256G-1122 X400 256 GB M.2 2280 6 GB/s Solid State Drives in.

Those would be no faster than the SSDs you have and suffer from the limitation of the SATAIII bus at 6Gbps (550MB/s read write).You would need to go to NVMe M.2s which operate at PCIe speeds (ie 3500MB/s) to see any gains - if there are any gains to be had under the limitations of the program and the way it uses the hardware.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I can't argue against your logic as I have no experience yet one way of the other. All I know is my i5 system was working like the clappers and was still slow to render by comparison. The i9 at present only seems to be ticking over. Sure the clock speeds almost max out but for only very short periods of time. What if the increase in CUDA cores allows the i9 processor to open up more? Maybe it's just twiddling its metaphorical thumbs waiting for more work to do?

As for the M.2 drives, It's my sons idea and I'll wait to see if I can discern any difference in the way the PC handles. He may even bring in different drives to those he said he would find. At this point I'm assuming but I should never really do that when referring to something my son may do. He may get another whole new batch of toys to play with between now and the weekend. I'm still trying to get to grips with the motherboard manual. I tried connecting my DVD player but lost the NVIDIA's output to screen 2. Disconnected it and the screen came back. Oh joys!

Do you know the answer to my earlier user account control question please?

I keep getting that message every time I want to open an Asus monitoring or adjustment setup program.

I've just got to get Cubase and WaveLab up and running now with my M-Audio and Roland keyboards and see if I can't get all the third party plugins and contents sorted into some sort of coherent order. See if the license activation dongle will still work or not. Weirdly an old copy of Macromedia's Fireworks isn't giving me any trouble at all.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray.

Re your question about UAC, User Account Control. Go to Control Panel>User Accounts. Under your own account you should see the following screen:

Click the highlighted box, which will them open this screen:

You will need to set that slider quite low on the scale, especially if you do not want UAC to pop up at all, ever.

HTH

Jeff

@emmrecs

Thanks Jeff.

I take it that even if I lower the slider and then activate a program so that it runs without the nag screen that if I then return the slider to its earlier security position the nag box will return for the same apps being launched as before. Has this more to do with Windows not being able to identify the program run certificates?