VPX14 Chroma Key not as good as MEP2014's?

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CubeAce wrote on 9/12/2023, 10:05 AM

@Kevin-Tam

Hi Kevin.

Can you do the following?

Download and install MediaInfo.

Find an original file of the plugin working from the 2014 version, right click the file and select mediainfo from the list. Go to text view and copy and paste the text results here.

Do the same for one created from VPX 14.

What you should see in MediaInfo is something similar to this file.

General
Complete name                            : I:\2023\1940s Weekend 2023\Saturday\Video\DJI_0138.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : JVT
Codec ID                                 : avc1 (avc1/isom)
File size                                : 3.81 GiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 26 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 100 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Comment                                  : DE=None, Type=Normal, HQ=Normal, Mode=P
gpt                                      : -17.80
gyw                                      : -6.50
grl                                      : +0.00

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 5 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 100.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.241
Stream size                              : 3.80 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : DJI.AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 5 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 7.37 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : DJI.AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : priv
Codec ID                                 : priv
Duration                                 : 1 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Title                                    : DJI.Meta
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-09 12:16:38 UTC

Please state which file came from which program.

I want to see if there is a difference in the way the files were rendered and if it can be rectified.

Unfortunately the videos you put up tell us nothing. We need to have copies to download from a site like Google drive that will not recompress or re-encode them when loaded onto their servers.

Ray.

 

 

 

 

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Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

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browj2 wrote on 9/12/2023, 10:18 AM

@Kevin-Tam

Hi,

Which MEP2014 do you have - basic, Plus or Premium?

John CB

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Kevin-Tam wrote on 9/24/2023, 7:33 AM

Thanks for your patience everyone - I've got access to the computers now....

@browj2

Under Help > "About MAGIX Movie Edit Pro 2014" I get...
MAGIX Movie Edit Pro 2014
Version 13.0.2.8 (UDC2)
...I can't see anything in that page about basic, plus or premium but I think it was "basic".

@CubeAce
MEP2014 (on my old computer)
=======
General
Complete name                            : C:\.... and history.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 2.12 GiB
Duration                                 : 43 min 11 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 7 030 kb/s
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-04 09:21:27 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-04 09:21:27 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L3.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 43 min 11 s
Bit rate                                 : 6 899 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.299
Stream size                              : 2.08 GiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-04 09:21:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-04 09:21:28 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 43 min 11 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 389 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 39.6 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-04 09:21:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-04 09:21:28 UTC

 

VPX14 (on my new computer)

=====

General
Complete name                            : ....history.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                                : 108 MiB
Duration                                 : 50 s 120 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 18.0 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=25
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 50 s 120 ms
Bit rate                                 : 17.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.343
Stream size                              : 106 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 50 s 62 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.15 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-09-24 12:27:12 UTC

CubeAce wrote on 9/24/2023, 9:36 AM

@Kevin-Tam

Hi Kevin.

Your 2014 MP4 export has a significantly less bit rate than your present MP4s for the same frame size / frames per second resolution. That would make the file way less able to pick up things like the edges of your green screen subjects. Effectively feathering the edges and making them much less noticeable.

You could be using a setting that is much higher quality than you did in the past. Also were you using the now missing Main concept encoder? If so then there still could be a difference iin how the encoders work when compressing the files.

Try the following settings to see if you see any improvement.

Take a look at what I've altered from the settings as they are opened.

I think this is why you are noticing differences but I'm not convinced even those settings are going to give the same results.

I'm equally sure someone else will have a different theory. 😂

Ray.

 

 

 

 

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."