Cheers, Ray, I'm in desperate need of a haircut! I've been very impressed with my phone video. Re your comment about stabilisation, I mentioned to someone recently how steady it appears, even with a millennial waving it around. There is obviously a lot going on inside it, AI-wise.
Yes, a nice place to live, although we have a few days of over 37°C coming up next week. Toasty! Not looking forward to that.
Hi,
You can turn off the GPS function on your GoPros and then record.
BTW, how well does the GPS data correspond to reality?
My GoPro Hero5 is usually close but takes great leaps off-route. Altitude data had me living below sea level instead of way above it.
John CB
Yes I normally turn GPS and connectivity off to conserve battery. I had the GPS data on because I was over in Europe for an emergency family matters trip and trying to keep track of where I was when I was shooting and and forgotten to turn it off. I only use it on whirlwind type trips where I have trouble remembering where I was. The GPS tracks I get off it are quite good and I used them as overlays on the videos to show where I was.
Ok I reinstalled BootCamp on my 2015 Macbook Pro. It's hard to go back to windows after living mostly in the Mac domain for so long (soo windows 2000!! 20 years ago). So the problems I had were self inflicted. The M1 Silicon/Windows 11 ARM solution is not without flaws yet. I bought the m1 silcon based macbook air because it's so thin and travels well and fits in hotel safes so I can render and post my 3D videos on the fly as we're traveling. Certain windows programs do not run as intended yet on m1 windows 11 but I'm hoping software providers get caught up. MEP 2022 is one of them that's not ready yet. Hoping they fix that. I was able to get MEP 2022 to do what I was hoping it could in Bootcamp booted into Windows 10 on my Intel based MBP.
Here is the reprocessed version of the snow plow video... 
(it should render 4K 60pps in a day or so) all within MEP 2022.. So I'm going to buy MEP 2022 to get me through this for now while I search for a native Mac based solution.
I really appreciate the time all you folks put into this for me and how quick everyone responded. Great bunch of folks on here!!! I'm looking forward to creating interesting 3D movies and stills on our travels and Kayaking adventures with my twin nerdy looking GoPros.
Feed back and corrections invited.
Glad you have a working solution.
Windows still dominates market share at just under 74%. so it's doubtful any relatively small company is going to bother developing a program for two platforms, especially if third party plugin suppliers also don't code for the second platform as the experience and support should be equal across both. The only solution I can see happening is if Apple once again allows Windows to be put onto their machines.
Your new render is definitely an improvement for me at least with less fringing and better cohesion between left and right dependent on subject distance. Sharpness overall has improved as a result as has colour accuracy.
Ray.
@CubeAce thanks. This video should look even better once YouTube finishes rendering it to HD then 4K. Actually I do a fair bit of stuff on my macs and it’s rare now I have to go back to windows. I always keep either windows 10 Fusion or Parallels loaded for the odd times i run into situations like programming my legacy HAM radios and that’s about it. MEP 2022 is the first program I’ve come across so far that doesn’t run in Windows 11 ARM. I was pretty sure i read somewhere it was tested but doubting myself now.
Anyway I did put in a service ticket with Magix support and I’ll see what they come back with. For a windows program they’ve done a good job. Thanks again to everyone on here for all your help.
I’ll probably be back when I start getting deeper into 3D video when we can get back out on the water or resume our travels again
Hi.
The 4K version was viewable at my end at the time of viewing.
If you look at the Magix website on compatibility it still does not include Windows 11 as yet, nor the latest Intel processors. If at any point Microsoft integrate ARM into their own laptops,t hat may become a possibility as Magix has close ties to Microsoft.
Ray.
I'll stick with MEP because it seems to work. I'll just need to do my 3D post processing when I'm home. I can live with that. I knew the risks when I went with the m1 based MacBook air. I'll post my 3D videos on my YouTube channel when the weather warms up. It's -20c here at the moment. Not good for Kayaking, Hiking or cycling so nothing to record for a while. That snowplow was the most exciting thing that happens around here in winter. Thanks again.
Hi once again.
I have news.
I found a second pair of 3D colour glasses that have different shades / tones of red / blue / cyan filters and the resulting video is much sharper and cleaner to my eyesight with nearer objects actually looking nearer rather than blurred. Wearing reading glasses also possibly doesn't help. I may invest in a plastic pair. It turns out I can even get clip on lenses.
Whether this has to do with different colour pixels used by different monitor panel producers or a difference in my colour vision I could not say but a worrying development when thinking about how colour variation in any one component in the chain can result in a different user experience.
On the up side, for me at least it was a more watchable experience and possibly closer to what you see as well up to a point.
Thanks for sharing the video.
Ray.
Hi Ray
. . . . . I found a second pair of 3D colour glasses that have different shades / tones of red / blue / cyan filters and the resulting video is much sharper and cleaner to my eyesight with nearer objects actually looking nearer rather than blurred. Wearing reading glasses also possibly doesn't help. I may invest in a plastic pair. It turns out I can even get clip on lenses.
Were the first pair genuine 3D glasses for viewing Anaglyph video, or for viewing 3D images? IIRC the colours were slightly different.
John EB
No idea John.
They are not labeled and picked up from various attractions over the years. I have a polarized version of 3D glasses as well. I think one set came from a 3D UV light art instillation painted onto cave walls somewhere. This is one of the cave images. It is apparently a Chromadepth 3D painting.
The images still work with the glasses.
Ray.
These are the anaglyph glasses i ordered. Seem to work fine and they fit over my glasses too. Hope this helps. Glasses Direct-3D Glasses -3D Vision Ultimate Anaglyph 3D Glasses - Made to Fit Over Prescription Glasses https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07BSRHDWD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_JW89YF0VJBGMQ8D5BAPH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Hi, I just found this discussion and would like to follow a similar approach to the Thread Owner. May I hijack the thread for a second. I am recording 3D in 4K using two smartphones. @AgingTechNerd, have you found out if you can upload 2x 4K SBS to youtube, effectively retaining the 3840 pixel horizontal resolution and 2160 vertical in 3D? I am using an old samsung 3D TV to watch 3D 4K, and my aim is to have videos in full resolution. There are a few experimental videos on youtube that appear to be 4K 3D, and I would like to come to the same result. Alteratively, I would like to supply the 4K 3D material to the TV (Series 7) via USB video files. Does anyone have experience with the 3D video formats a Samsung TV accepts? Is it possible to generate them using MEP and some additional encoding tool? Or could you point me to some alternative source of information? Thanks so much.
Hi
See the Youtube 3D equirements here.
. . . . Does anyone have experience with the 3D video formats a Samsung TV accepts? . . .
The TV manual should give you this information.
. . . . Is it possible to generate them using MEP and some additional encoding tool? . . . .
It is, with the exception of the Multi stream (MVC) format.
Do note that some TVs you may have to switch the TV into the appropriate 3D mode.
. . . . I am recording 3D in 4K using two smartphones . . . .
Most smartphones by default record with Variable Frame Rate which is known to cause audio sync issues in many video editors.
If the smart phones cannot record at Constant framerate then you are going to have to convert the videos to Constant framerate using a converter such as Handbrake or Avidemux.
John EB
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Hi, I just found this discussion and would like to follow a similar approach to the Thread Owner. May I hijack the thread for a second. I am recording 3D in 4K using two smartphones. @AgingTechNerd, have you found out if you can upload 2x 4K SBS to youtube, effectively retaining the 3840 pixel horizontal resolution and 2160 vertical in 3D? I am using an old samsung 3D TV to watch 3D 4K, and my aim is to have videos in full resolution. There are a few experimental videos on youtube that appear to be 4K 3D, and I would like to come to the same result. Alteratively, I would like to supply the 4K 3D material to the TV (Series 7) via USB video files. Does anyone have experience with the 3D video formats a Samsung TV accepts? Is it possible to generate them using MEP and some additional encoding tool? Or could you point me to some alternative source of information? Thanks so much.@Dirgri
So far I've only been uploading to youtube (and to my Oculus) is 4K SBS Halfwidth which puts in into a standard 4K frame size so I know I'm cutting my horiz resolution in half. MEP does let me create 4K SBS full width videos which I believe make it 4k double wide but if I recall youtube and/or Oculus caused them to result in stretched width videos. At some point once I perfect things I'll come back to. The oculus optics are somewhat limiting the sharpness so I haven't pursued it much yet. Hopefully Apple's soon to be released AR/VR headset will give much better results. So while you may be able to create the full res SBS you may find it difficult to view or share them. Hope this helps.
I was back in Malta in Sept and I shot tons of 4K 3D 50fps videos. I've been working in my spare time on rendering them into 3D. Here is a feeble first attempt. The lighting conditions make it look pretty decent even in anaglyph with the usual bleed into the red/left eye channel.
If folks here are interested I can share some of the other videos. It takes more time to create anonymised versions for sharing publicly so it might be a number of weeks yet.
Thanks mostly to the folks on this thread I've come along a fair bit on this. Just finding ways to send them to folks and view them is proving to be a challenge. The red/cyan anaglyph is proving to be the real challenge. I am hoping to find a way around this bleed through issue.
Hi
. . . . red/cyan anaglyph is proving to be the real challenge. I am hoping to find a way around this bleed through issue. . . . .
Do you mean the images takes on a red or cyan or mixed hue when watching the video?
If so this is the main problem with Anaglyph, it relies on the human eye seeing both 'phases' of the image equally.
John EB
Hi.
If you watch the video without the glasses you notice how the left and right image seem to shift position slightly for a given object at a given distance. I'm wondering if the pixel shift style of image stabilization used in such cameras is not responsible for this bleed as each camera will react slightly different to the other. If the camera is mounted to a tripod or resting on an object, does this effect become less noticeable even in a scene with a lot going on?
Ray.
Hi
. . . . if the pixel shift style of image stabilization used in such cameras is not responsible for this bleed as each camera will react slightly different to the other. . . . .
When shooting with 2 cameras the image stabilisation must be turned off on both to avoid the 'pan lag' which is what you are seeing.
John EB
I was noticing the Image Stabilisation was affecting the depth effect (as a bit of a wobble) on pans when I watch it as SBS on my Oculus Quest 2. So I'll try some tripod shots and check them out in anaglyph. If this helps I'll see about a mechanical stabiliser that can manage the weight of two GoPro Hero 9's.
The ghosting effect I see with the Anaglyph and YouTube/glasses combination is if I close my right eye, the left (red) eye sees the Cyan side. The Cyan side has not red bleed through. I've tried several pairs of glasses from Amazon. I was hoping to give them out to members of the family but they struggle with the effect. Can't say I remember this ghosting effect back in the day with the cardboard glasses.
I found a youtube video somewhere that illustrates and rate the various anaglyph complementary colour pairs and they did rate Red/Cyan as less than ideal but the other suggested pairs don't seem to be options in MEP or YourTube nor did any of the glasses seem to be available.
I saw earlier in the thread discussion about syncing the two videos. MEP has a sound sync option that does a pretty good job and even calls out and shows unmatched frames on either side. So I just clip the start and/or the end of the clips until they are identical. I usually have someone clap in the frame for me anyway just to make sure both videos are synced through out but you'd hear it in the combined soundtracks anyway.
One of the many problems with showing any video or image on another monitor or TV is the colour calibration will not be the same which I think would have an effect on the tint of any 3D glasses used. Couple that with an individuals ability to see colour and most monitor manufacturers don't even have exactly the same colour emitting from their pixels and it gets complicated very quickly.
I think a motorised image stabilizer would probably help but be aware they do strain the wrist more quickly in use and still need calibrating reasonably regularly (at least the ones I've tried). Normally that is a quick and easy job.
Ray.
