New Release MMS 2024....

johnebaker wrote on 8/10/2023, 4:43 PM

Hi John

. . . . On the other side, the motion tracker (Attach to picture position in the video) has not been fixed. We brought this up with MEP2022, did we not? . . . .

Just had a popup new patch 21.0.1.198 for VPX 15 fixes Object tracking - focus loss while using Size/Pos effect, patched and tested now works fine with the usual caveat if the motion is too fast it will lose track..

Should be a new patch for MMS 2024 as well - don't know as have not updated to it yet, it is on my list of things to do

John EB

browj2 wrote on 8/10/2023, 4:50 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Have the Pin Object X and Y parameters reappeared with the patch (which I don't have yet)? Or is there something else, like kf's under SPR?

John CB

AAProds wrote on 8/10/2023, 7:50 PM

MMS 2024 patch to 180 has just arrived; 37mb. In typical Magix fashion, when you click on the link to reveal what has been fixed, the link is dead. Oh, and don't bother trying a manual update. My Help>Update Online also does nothing, before and after the patch.

me_again wrote on 8/11/2023, 12:56 AM

Greetings,

MS2024 released only 2 days ago (in the UK anyway) and already a patch?

Does anyone noticed yet if any of the "bugs" discovered in MS2023 - of which many are well documented on this forum - have been eradicated?

AndyW

Former user wrote on 8/11/2023, 8:08 AM

I just got the 23.0.1.180 patch for 2024, No obvious change in the preview, zoom does as it did before,

I think there was a problem with Movie Overview, but I don't have an orig pic & the time since installing & getting this patch was too quick for proper testing,

It looked like this yesterday, (I've mocked this up)

It now looks as it should,

johnebaker wrote on 8/11/2023, 9:11 AM

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . Have the Pin Object X and Y parameters reappeared with the patch . . . .

Can you clarify where or which effect these were to be found please.

John EB

browj2 wrote on 8/11/2023, 9:27 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

As I showed previously, the image below from MEP2021 shows the Pin Object parameters in the kf area that was generated by the "Attach to picture position in the video" effect (image tracking).

This disappeared with MEP2022.

John CB

Former user wrote on 8/11/2023, 9:29 AM

@browj2 It's the same in VPX14 as it is in MMS2024, no keyframes & no Pin Object

AAProds wrote on 8/14/2023, 4:59 AM

I bought the full version of MMS 2024 last week and when I installed it, it removed my MEP 2021 (which was an upgrade). I was annoyed because I use MEP 2021 to handle my analogue captures. I don't think that a later "full" version should remove an earlier version of any kind.

I then did an experiment and reinstalled MEP 2021 from my archived install file and sure enough, it removed MMS 2024!

Can anybody shed any light on the logic of this, or say if it has happened to them. I may be missing something simple but it seems to me that a full version should "stand alone", and not be affected by earlier upgrades.

FWIW, my full version of MMS 2023 wasn't harmed.

emmrecs wrote on 8/14/2023, 5:06 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al,

ALL previous updates/new versions of MEP/MMS/VPX for the past several years have, indeed, "automatically" removed any older versions, for reasons unknown. And, from what you write it seems that reinstalling an older version will remove the newer, bizarre!

However the 2024 release has, indeed, left 2023 fully installed, apparently. I have no idea why!

Jeff

AAProds wrote on 8/14/2023, 5:36 AM

@emmrecs

Jeff, the odd thing, which I failed to mention, is that when I installed my full-version MMS 2023 last year, I didn't lose MEP 2021 (or Magix Movie Edit Pro Premium, as it is technically called).

browj2 wrote on 8/14/2023, 1:17 PM

@AAProds @emmrecs

Hi Al and Jeff,

Do you happen to have different flavours of MMS/MEP, meaning one Platinum and one Suite or a Plus and a Premium?

As far as I can tell, they are different and go to different locations, in particular, the Videocontent locations. Thus, upon installation, the program looks for its mate - Platinum or Suite - and if it finds it, it replaces it.

I have had both and one did not replace the other when upgrading, only its mate. MMS Suite content is under MEP Premium in the image below. I had MEP 2021 Plus, not Premium, thus installing MMS 2022 Suite did not replace it. MMS 2023 Suite replaced 2022 Suite.

Or something like that.

John CB

Reyfox wrote on 8/14/2023, 3:35 PM

Honestly, I don't think anything should be replaced/overwritten.

emmrecs wrote on 8/15/2023, 3:42 AM

@browj2

Hi John,

Interesting idea! And you might well be on to something, I think!

My 2023 version is the Suite, whereas 2024 is currently Premium.

Jeff

CubeAce wrote on 8/16/2023, 10:35 AM

@JCI-21

Hi.

Sorry for a late reply, I've been very busy lately.

As far as I'm aware there are no sections or effects within the Magix base programs that have those positional arrows, but some third party effects that deal with lighting and camera angles within a 3D environment, such as some third party titling effects do have those types of positioning arrows.

I noticed your image also looked like it was a third party effect possibly opening within an editing program as well and that it had a landscape box with a portrait image or video in the background. Do you also run any Earlier Vegas editor as that allows the background to show whereas MMS and VPX tend not to show the background until applied to the video or image.

Ray.

Former user wrote on 8/16/2023, 12:12 PM

@CubeAce Hi, his picture was either Hitfilm Pro or Vegas Effects

me_again wrote on 8/31/2023, 4:19 AM

Greetings all,

Re MS2024, are the orange "srtetchy" points in the preview window still tiny?

AndyW

AAProds wrote on 8/31/2023, 5:18 AM

@me_again

Re MS2024, are the orange "srtetchy" points in the preview window still tiny?

About half the size of the corner points, Andy.

me_again wrote on 8/31/2023, 5:37 AM

@AAProds

Thanks Al, I assume from what you say the centre points are larger than in 2023 which I calculate to be about a quarter the size of the corners. This, of course, begs the question "are the corner point larger in 2024 than 2023?"

I ask because my eyesight is not what it was and sometimes in MS2023 the tiny side points, and often the corner points but it's quite easy to guess their position,get lost to me in the various varous colours etc in the Monitor.

For example I've just been editing a video my brother took of him coppicing a wood; dried leaves,sticks and sandy soil blend together well and I've lost the centre points completely.

Oh well, that's another reason not to upgrade.

AndyW

CubeAce wrote on 8/31/2023, 7:44 AM

@me_again

Hi Andy.

A lot would also depend on viewing distance and size of the monitor. Also making the adjustment points larger would make it difficult to shrink/expand the effect to/from an infinite point if that were needed for an effect.

Why the lines just can't be grabbed at any point though is beyond me. Maybe a request for a future update?

Ray.

AAProds wrote on 8/31/2023, 8:40 AM

@me_again

Just for you, Andy, here's MEP 2021 vs MMS2024. Looks to me like the dots are the same size.

I'm still gathering my thoughts, but to put your mind at ease, MMS2024 isn't worth it. The interface has been taken over by nerds; the new colours are awful, the icons have shrunk; I don't know how people get on on a UHD screen at sizes of less than 30+ inches across. The display format is wasteful; the file lists in the media pool take up twice as much height as previously.

With the exception of the partial fixing of the CZS effect, all the bugs are still there.

The only reason I'm keeping it is because it has the AV1 codec built--in, and some Youtubes are being encoded with it. Since @rse around with funny YTs, I find having AV1 support quite handy.

me_again wrote on 8/31/2023, 9:06 AM

@CubeAce

On and off for a year or so I've been playing with an open-source video editor called OpenShot. It's really quite good, obviously not as sophisticated as MS/MEP but it works and in my opinion can teach Magix a thing or two.

As shown above the grab handles are wonderfully large and depending on whether you move them while pressing Ctrl or Alt the frame stretches in proportion or only in one axis. You can even rotate the picture just my pushing on the side of the frame in the preview. If a free piece of software can have larger grab hamdles then I'm sure a commercial piece of software could be made to have them.

I take your point though about moving from infinity, that's a little more complicated but not impossible.

As I say, Magix can (well, could if they wanted to) learn a lot in both ease of program use and user "comfort" from this freeware program.

Apologies, rambling again.

AndyW

CubeAce wrote on 8/31/2023, 10:58 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al.

As far as I'm aware YouTube AV1 upload use is limited to a Beta streaming trial and only from OBS Studio.

At present uploads to YouTube are 'limited' to

.MOV .MPEG-1 .MPEG-2 .MPEG-4 .MP4 .MPG .AVI .WMV .MPEGPS. FLV. 3GPP. WebM. DNxHR.

ProRes. CineForm. HEVC (h265).

@me_again

Hi Andy.

Some photo editing apps allow you to grab at any point of the lined box and adjust so I'm not sure why there is any need for specific places or grab handles in video editors.

Most programs start out simple and relatively bug free but once started seem seldom built from scratch again but have additions bolted on. Incompatibilities arise either between the program itself or third party add-ons. The program has to adapt to new hardware architecture. I'm surprised when a program woks at all 🤣.

I agree with Al. A lot of what's new seems to be window dressing. They could have made the interface customisable to suit the person using it. That was once a thing with some programs that I miss.

Ray.

me_again wrote on 8/31/2023, 11:22 AM

@CubeAce (@AAProds)

Greetings Ray, I agree with all you (and Al apparently) say about photo editors and indeed most "useful" programs / apps.

It's a shame really that the only real improvements seem to be cosmetic. Do these companies ask actual users what they want or do they assume what we want? I suppose it could be that users don't know what they want until it's provided for them. Hmm. Tricky.

AndyW