@browj2

you can see what they are if you mouse-over the icons.

John, yes, I forgot to put that in. I'll change my post. My criticism still stands though: instead of casting a beady eye over the options you've got, you have to hover over tiny icons which don't tell you much. Why oh Why?

Oh well, I can't edit my first post! Must be a rule for the first post of a topic because I'm editing this one OK.

Hi Al,

It’s the new 30 minutes to edit rule.

John CB

More woke nonsense. Do they really think, on this forum, that someone will act maliciously or nefariously and then turn around and threaten people because of what they posted/changed?

The problem is that now, potentially incorrect information is set in stone for all following visitors to see and be misled-by. This nonsense occurs on DigitalFAQ and is a PITA. The mod there rules it with an iron fist. Funnily enough, on a much more liberal forum, VideoHelp, you can edit posts that are years old. I've never heard of an issue with edited posts being held against somebody.

A bit like it's programs...becoming harder and harder to use. This whole shooting match will fall in a heap probably sooner rather than later. A pity.

@AAProds

Hi Al

. . . . More woke nonsense. Do they really think, on this forum, that someone will act maliciously or nefariously and then turn around and threaten people because of what they posted/changed? . . . .

Nothing at all to do with 'wokeness'.

The problem is that some people do act maliciously and nefariously, the number of spammers we have had to deal with is surprisingly high.

What you do not see is the work done by Moderators to control spam, malicious responses and often very offensive comments that are posted and/or sent by PM to users of the forum.

If a user posts something which is incorrect they can post a comment, with a correction if desired, with a request for the erroneous comment to be removed or edited.

John EB

@johnebaker @AAProds

Two things I noticed on the website. MMS 2024 is also still available for download until 2nd July and the specs now also mention using an Intel GPU as well as NVIDIA and AMD in it's Infusion III Engine section.

One thing I would like to ask, 'Is anyone actually using AV1?' I tried it and the main disadvantage is I can't see a generated thumbnail when using Explorer so no visual clues as to what clip I would be looking at. I also have not found anything similar to be able to download to enable thumbnails to be seen. Also not having a card capable I have no hardware acceleration available. Looking at the new program it would seem there is more interaction between the two development teams as most of the additions had already been released in the Vegas lineup.

@browj2

Which M Track mixer do you have? There appear to be several. Is that your audio-in Interface?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I am not using it yet.

AV1 is more highly compressed than H.265/HEVC and requires more GPU power' than HEVC. For encoding HWA the following GPU's are required:

• Intel ARC GPU, or processor with integrated GPU that supports AV1 encoding
• Nvidia - RTX 4000 series or better
• AMD (RDNA 2) GPU that supports AV1 encoding

AV1 is an 'end product' codec and is not recommended as a source video format.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I'm aware you have put up the required specs for AV1 in the past. My test was out of curiosity. File comparison size to HEVC etc. The only useful scenario I have seen for AV1 is doing a live broadcast to YouTube which seems to make it's use in a video editing program a bit unnecessary unless you want to add video to your own website. I'm not even sure if a video player that supports AV1 exists for a personal website. It still begs the question of why there isn't a download to make such files have visible thumbnails in explorer.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

I have the M-Audio M-Track, an older version of the current one.

John CB

Greetings,

I've bought MS2925 and initial thoughts are that it's smoother in use. Maybe it's because I've just spent some money but it really dies "feel" different. I'll play more tomorrow with the "new" features. Maybe I'll change mind.

As for AV1, I use it even though it doesn't work properly with Movie.Studio - I opened a topic on this somewhere on the forum (I'm using my phone for this and i cant find it) and even though Magix replied to my ticket that they are looking into it, this new 2025 version is still knackered.

It's strange but in this new version encoding to AV1 with GPU takes roughly the same time as with CPU (initial small test 2 minute encode in 1 minute) BUT GPU produces a huge file no matter what the set bitrate, CPU produces the correct size file for the bitrate. Most odd.

@CubeAce

"It still begs the question of why there isn't a download to make such files have visible thumbnails in explorer"

It is odd. Even Icaros produces a black thumbnail.

If using Handbrake I currently tend to save as MKV which produces a perfect thumbnail. Odd again!

I bought MS 2025 on impulse and even though ive I've only played a little bit, at the moment I don't think it was a waste of money. Even more odd.

AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy

. . . .  in this new version encoding to AV1 with GPU takes roughly the same time as with CPU (initial small test 2 minute encode in 1 minute) . . . .

Is the RTX 4060 set in program settings for the Import, Processing and Export options?

John EB

@johnebaker

I see what you're thinking.

Yes John, 4060 for all. I do have the monitor plugged into the Intel UHD 770 though. Not really sure why just always have.

AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy.

In my experience in the past plugging the monitor into the Intel GPU always used to make the older versions of the program run smoother on my system. With MMS 2024 it seems to make no difference. With just my CPU AV1 encoding takes forever. About 20 times play speed of the movie project length.

Surely on the export it should say whether you have hardware encoding or not for AV1.

At present as far as I have read, AV1 is strictly limited to being able to watch such material as broadcast by Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube if your Smart TV or Firestick or browser or whatever supports the decoding or for live broadcasting using a limited upload bandwidth.

At present I think AV1 encoding is just because all the rest are doing it. The files do play back in MMS 2024 but unless you label them you are better off encoding to HEVC if you are after saving disk space. I am still miffed now at having to have an online Microsoft account just to get the HEVC decode codec back on my system after reinstalling Windows. Not that I really use HEVC but it can be useful if needed. I'm really beginning to hate Windows. I would rather pay for a copy than have enforced invasion of data collection.

Ray.

It's not even worthy the upgrade, I was expecting the pen tool for masking at least, I think Filmora surpass way ahead Movie Studio 2025 for the money.

@johnebaker @CubeAce

Greetings, forget what I said about the AVI speed. An elementary schoolboy error I'm afraid using the wrong figures from the wrong column. Apologies.

However what is correct is that AV1 encoding with the Nvidia GPU produces a file that's a lossless size if you get my meaning - 3 minute video 1280x720 with GPU = 143Mb (22 seconds), with GPU off 14.1Mb (1min 41 secs).

I can only assume that this is something to do with the way MS2024/2025 uses the Nvidia 4060. I also assume that if someone has the Intel 770 graphics card, the AV1 hardware encoding will work correctly judging by the reply I had from Magix when I was contemplating buying the Intel card a few months ago.

Apologies again for the misleading post.

AndyW

Well that's a b****r,

I was editing my post above and when I finished and click OK or whatever it says. I must have gone over the 30 minutes and the edit wasn't saved and is lost.

I can't be bothered to do it again.

AndyW

2025 version eh? I can't believe I fell for it again. The intros I got free with previous versions, gone. Effects that came free with previous versions, gone. It isn't like they were really free I paid for the version they came with. My previous 2024 version had them all in and licensed and activated. Yes fell for it again. I am so sad now, got to play basic computer to find everything.

@Paul-Doyle

Hi,

Unless this is on a new computer or you had Platinum and now Suite or vice versa, then all of the content should still be there under:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\MAGIX\Common\Videocontent....the program.

If not, then in the program, go under Help, Install Extra Content. If everything shows as already downloaded, then...you have it.

John CB

@johnebaker

Interesting. I've just come across this in the help file of Movie Studio 2025 in the "What's New" section.

in the 2024 bit it mentions the use of the AV1 as being CPU based.

I looked in the 2024 manual and it says the same thing. So that answers that then. Possibly!

AndyW

let me live 2024 first MEP 2025 should be renamed 2024

Greetings,

After a bit of playing with the AV1 side of things here are the findings if anyone is interested:

Using Nvidia RTX 4060 for import, processing and Encoding (VBR and CBR) :

1. Using the 4060 with hardware encoding ON produces a huge file that corresponds roughly to a losslss encode. There is NO thumbnail created. The file crashes if scrolled forwards or backward in Media Player Classiic but scrolls as normal in Windows 11's Films & TV app.
2. Using the 4060 with hardware encoding OFF, produces a file that is at the bitrate set. There is a thumbnail created and the file plays correctly in all my players.

Using the RTX 4060 for import and processing with the Intel 770 for encoding (no hardware encoding obviously)

1. Both CBR and VBR produced a file as per the bitrate set, created thumbnails and scrolled as expected.

Interestingly, the files produced by using the Intel as encoder were created around 20% quicker than using the RTX4060 without hardware encoding as the encoder.

AndyW

@me_again @johnebaker @browj2 @AAProds @fishycomics @JCI-21 @Paul-Doyle

Hi Andy.

I too have been experimenting with AV1 all be it at the software level due to my computer not have suitable hardware.

I still can't generate any file that shows a thumbnail (so far) regardless of the settings chosen within MMS. I have yet to try a custom setting.

Andy, if you are generating thumbnails using AV1 can you please put the file's data up to see why it is different to what I can generate? I noticed something similar mentioned on the Resolve site but their solution ended up producing a file that was not actually AV1 encoded.

Files produced using the presets available within MMS on average are about one third of the original file copied for the same frame size and frame speed. However the results are not lossless. They are not as noticeable as using MP4 at the programs preset settings but are there.

Slight light blockiness in large solid colour areas such as a clear blue sky.

I can clearly see that dance around on my monitors but can be cleared a lot by increasing the minimum and maximum bit rates and setting the quality level to Best. That helps and only increases the file size slightly.

Still not perfect but working on it.

The down side with only having an older processor to do the work is the time taken to produce a file. It took one hour and four minutes to do a four minute thirty eight second, 3840 x 2160 MP4 video at 25 25fps to export. The processing power required was wild.

That went on for the whole export with my i9-900K running like that for the duration but no part of my system got close to being too hot with the figures shown above remaining fairly consistent throughout.

If my system was quicker then this might be more viable, especially if you have a slow internet connection as the file was accepted as an upload to YouTube which loaded fast, and was processed much faster than usual with my MP4 generated uploads.

I had my camera running pretty much all day at this site and this is a clip that I may use some of the audio from but probably not the footage.

By the way. Windows Media Player as far as I know is not on the Microsoft compatibility list for AV1 playback.

Ray.

I've been conned. The email I was sent said upgrade to 2025 Suite. I thought sweet!, I'll do that, being the top of the wozza program ("suite") and I'll get some Boris thing with it.

I was just pottering around on the Magix site researching for Danny on the other thread and I come across this!

https://www.magix.com/us/video-editor/movie-studio/version-comparison/#c1833696

The best, with 12 "powerful" plugins (which aren't stated anywhere) is now it the new "ultimate" package. That screenshot also shows different names for the various programs.

When I find out about what's in Ultimate, I might upgrade to that instead.

So watch what you're upgrading to, folks.