@RickJames-Bish

Hi Rick.

Normally variable frame rate files are not easily edited in MEP 2022 so I would assume that would be the case as well in MS 2022.

This surprisingly in this instance was not the case.

Some more surprises and some predictable outcome.

Movie Edit Pro could not only 'not split' the channels but could not 'see' the music at all. Only the voice track.

There was nothing I could do with it at all.

VPX had no difficulty in 'seeing' the two audio channels in the imported file and display the difference in the waveforms or manually splitting the track and getting two individual tracks.

Vegas MS 16 not only saw the audio files but split them on import automatically ready for use.

Ray.

@RickJames-Bish

Hi Rick.

Normally variable frame rate files are not easily edited in MEP 2022 so I would assume that would be the case as well in MS 2022.

This surprisingly in this instance was not the case.

Some more surprises and some predictable outcome.

Movie Edit Pro could not only 'not split' the channels but could not 'see' the music at all. Only the voice track.

There was nothing I could do with it at all.

VPX had no difficulty in 'seeing' the two audio channels in the imported file and display the difference in the waveforms or manually splitting the track and getting two individual tracks.

Vegas MS 16 not only saw the audio files but split them on import automatically ready for use.

Ray.

 

Thanks for trying. On the movie edit pro, if you right click on the audio track in the timeline there is probably a place to select each audio source.

@RickJames-Bish

I would just keep MS 17 but have been unsuccessful with GPU acceleration, where both 2022 and Vegas Pro do better. 2022 actually uses the GPU more than Vegas PRO so I will have to dig into that a little and see why. Thanks again.

I wouldn't dig too deep, you're not going to find an answer, Vegas Pro uses very little GPU etc. & renders quite a bit slower than MEP

@RickJames-Bish

Hi,

Thanks for the file.

MEP: The trick of duplicating the AV file and then changing the audio source changes both the original and the copy to be the same audio source. Also I only get one waveform, no matter which audio I select. I'm going to call this a bug, or 2.

I did manage to get both but only by mixing down audio 1, then giving the duplicate clip Audio 2.

VPX: similar to MEP but I was able to extract the audio (1 track) and then get 2 with the copy. Trying to extract audio for track 2 did not work. I'll call of this another bug.

I should be much easier in both programs.

John CB

@browj2 @RickJames-Bish @Former user @johnebaker

Hi all. I had not given up because Rick said he had managed to split the track and then duplicate it and change the channel but it also changed the first channel at the same time in MS Studio.

So I gave it a try again in MEP 2022. I got exactly the same result as Rick after using the 'Create new frame table' command to the original channel track. I could switch between channels but all the copies of the audio track changed with it. I think this must be linked with the earlier bug of not being able to edit an audio track in an external editor in MEP 2021.

I found a solution that works, all be it very long winded.

After completing the first stage of being able to change the channels as above, keep that channel on the channel two and then copy the original file and place it in a new folder in the same project. ( You will probably have to do that in Windows Explorer) Change the name of the file.(keeping the extension of course.)

Place the new file on a separate track. You now have both audio channels to mix and move about the sound stage.

This is definitely a bug and should be fixed because for a long project this would become almost unworkable keeping the files in sync, let alone tedious and a waste of disk space.

This is not a problem in VPX 11 so presumably was also not a problem for MEP 2020. I have no way to prove the latter theory.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

You are using VPX11, I am using VPX13. I can't get VPX13 to do anything different than MEP2022.

Other than your way of copying, renaming the source file and importing that to get the other audio, it's easier to just do a mixdown of Audio 1, Restore sound of the video clip, and switch to Audio 2.

I never get the waveform for Audio 2 unless I exit the project, delete the H0 file, and reopen the project.

However, the wave file created by the mixdown never gets a waveform even after saving and reopening the project. I have to delete the H0 file before reopening.

John CB

@browj2, @CubeAce

Hi

There is definitely a change in MEP 2022 that is different from what you used to be able to do with multi-stream audio.

John - has VPX 13 lost the Extract audio tracks feature - I cannot check as i am working from my laptop?

In VPX 12 using Extract audio tracks, both streams are then available.

Ray - there is no need for a separate folder, a copy and paste of the original using File Explorer should enough - the file gets Copy added to its name which is sufficient.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

You are correct but when I'm testing something I'm ultra cautious especially when at the time I only had the original download file to work with. Also I haven't tried to put a second copy into the same location in Win 10 yet and wasn't sure I would still get the replace or add to option. I just tried and see it adds 'copy' to the file name.

It would seem old operating system habits die hard 😉.

Ray.

Hi Ray

. . . . It would seem old operating system habits die hard . . . .

They maybe old, however they often result in less data loss.

John EB

Thanks for all the testing. After seeing your results above, tried the copy file in folder and just let windows rename it to Copy of filename. Pulled both into MS and removed the video from the copy after selecting the audio source I wanted to keep.

@RickJames-Bish

Glad it worked Rick but such a faff to use!

It needs fixing.

Ray.

Just "upgraded" (questionable), from Movie Studio Platinum 17 to Movie Studio 2022 Platinum. In 17 I would add media, which was a recording that contained two audio tracks. It would automatically put the video and each audio track in its own row on the timeline. The most I would have to do is ungroups them. In 2022 it puts the video in one column and then I have select to view video and audio on separate tracks, which is no big deal, however it only put a video and one audio row. The two tracks are present, as I can switch between track one and two but I cannot separate them. I tried ungrouping, which it does ungroup the audio from the video, but it still only shows one row for audio and after ungrouping I cannot choose between track one and two. Need help because I record two audio sources for a reason. thanks

Did you ever find a solution to this? I use a similar setup (game and mic on separate tracks) and would like to be able to adjust volume levels separately on each audio track. I was trying to upgrade from MS 16 (which automatically separates them on import) but if every video I make involves an absurd workaround of duplicating a 10 gigabyte source file and dealing with all the extra import/editing just to get my audio levels, that's not really an upgrade.

Just "upgraded" (questionable), from Movie Studio Platinum 17 to Movie Studio 2022 Platinum. In 17 I would add media, which was a recording that contained two audio tracks. It would automatically put the video and each audio track in its own row on the timeline. The most I would have to do is ungroups them. In 2022 it puts the video in one column and then I have select to view video and audio on separate tracks, which is no big deal, however it only put a video and one audio row. The two tracks are present, as I can switch between track one and two but I cannot separate them. I tried ungrouping, which it does ungroup the audio from the video, but it still only shows one row for audio and after ungrouping I cannot choose between track one and two. Need help because I record two audio sources for a reason. thanks

Did you ever find a solution to this? I use a similar setup (game and mic on separate tracks) and would like to be able to adjust volume levels separately on each audio track. I was trying to upgrade from MS 16 (which automatically separates them on import) but if every video I make involves an absurd workaround of duplicating a 10 gigabyte source file and dealing with all the extra import/editing just to get my audio levels, that's not really an upgrade.

Yes.. Its called Davinci Resolve. I got the free version, and it is well beyond this and Vegas. Highly recommend you try it.

@LiftPizzas @RickJames-Bish

The solution was given by me and it's not DaVinci Resolve.

Watch this tutorial done specifically for this case:

John CB

@LiftPizzas @RickJames-Bish

The solution was given by me and it's not DaVinci Resolve.

Watch this tutorial done specifically for this case:

John CB

Good to see someone found a solution. I prefer not jumping through hoops and having to work around to get a result that should already be there in a product that cost money, so for me Davinci Resolve was definitely the solution. All joking aside, and I just tried it, I downloaded, installed, imported video into DR with tracks already separated in 7 minutes. Just one minute longer than the tutorial video.

@CubeAce

Hi,

Use the right tool. In Movie Studio, you can do what I showed. It is actually very fast to do.

The right tool is Video Pro X which has the Extract Audio feature not in the consumer version. Right-click on the audio part, Extract Audio Tracks, done.

John CB

@LiftPizzas

Hi

. . . . I make involves an absurd workaround of duplicating a 10 gigabyte source file . . . .

This is a misconception.

What you see on the timeline is a reference to the real file and these are relatively small files, approx 3 - 30 kB in size so loading up the same clip 10 times does not take up 10 x the video file size.

The program does not load the source file until it is needed either for previewing or export, even then it only loads approximately 1 - 2 seconds blocks of video, processing the effects etc in real time, before displaying in the Preview monitor or exporting. If the computer hardware cannot keep up with the playback processing you will see stuttering in the Preview monitor, the export does not have these stutters - there are steps you can take to reduce this stuttering if necessary.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

@LiftPizzas @RickJames-Bish

The solution was given by me and it's not DaVinci Resolve.

Watch this tutorial done specifically for this case:

John CB

I disagree, this is not a solution. It does not address the problem: you have to waste your time working around a missing feature. I could do this any number of ways but in MS16 I can edit an episode in 60 seconds and be off doing something else while it's rendering.

@LiftPizzas

Hi

 

. . . . I make involves an absurd workaround of duplicating a 10 gigabyte source file . . . .

This is a misconception.

What you see on the timeline is a reference to the real file and these are relatively small files, approx 3 - 30 kB in size so loading up the same clip 10 times does not take up 10 x the video file size.

The program does not load the source file until it is needed either for previewing or export, even then it only loads approximately 1 - 2 seconds blocks of video, processing the effects etc in real time, before displaying in the Preview monitor or exporting. If the computer hardware cannot keep up with the playback processing you will see stuttering in the Preview monitor, the export does not have these stutters - there are steps you can take to reduce this stuttering if necessary.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

I wasn't talking about the duplicates on the timeline. What you're talking about doesn't even work. If you just copy/paste the timeline item, you cannot select different audio tracks for each of those.

I think the saddest part of this is that they knew about this shortcoming a year ago and haven't addressed it.

@LiftPizzas

Did you see my other post about VPX? The feature is there.

I disagree, this is not a solution. It does not address the problem: you have to waste your time working around a missing feature.

Why is it not a solution if it works. To do what I showed takes less than 30 seconds.

John CB

@LiftPizzas

Hi

. . . . I think the saddest part of this is that they knew about this shortcoming a year ago and haven't addressed it. . . . .

Movie Studio (formerly Movie Edit Pro) has never supported using multiple audio streams at the same time, you can select one audio stream to use it is one of the many options that differentiate Movie Studio from Video Pro X which can use multiple audio streams within a video file.

As @browj2 has commented, the work around is quick and works.

John EB

I am a musician

I have an old version of Sony Vegas 13

Can Movie studio 2024 record several audio tracks at the same time?

@alan-wolf

Hi,

No, Movie Studio 2024 Platinum/Suite is a video editor not a DAW. For recording several tracks at the same time, you would need a DAW like Samplitude Music Studio or Samplitude Pro X. Note that Music Studio has a limit to the number of multitrack inputs, something like 9, I think, as I don't see the limit in the comparison table. You can download the trial version and try it out and check in the manual. It is quite powerful.

Magix Music Maker does not allow recording to more than 1 track at a time.

John CB