@Steve-McClelland

Hi

. . . . i7-5820k . . . .

This processor has no integrated graphics chip (iGPU) which puts you in a worse position then your current processor for MEP 2021.

As has been stated previously you need at least a UHD 520 iGPU preferably a UHD620 or better - this means you should be looking for an i7-6xxx, generation 6, or later processor.

John EB

Can I ask why i need integrated graphics if we are using an Nvidia GTX1070 8gb? Thanks

@Steve-McClelland

Hi Steve.

I agree with John hence my question.

MEP and quite a few other video editing packages (the majority I have come across) heavily rely on using an integrated Intel graphics chip. That is more important than the nvidia card which could be a lower specified 1650 super or 1060 at this point. Even without an nvidia card, such a system would outperform your proposed system that has no Intel GPU but more powerful nvidia card. Also that motherboard has no inbuilt GPU port so could not take advantage of an Intel chip that had a GPU.

Also when or if you do get a system with two GPUs you will either need to have a monitor plugged into each of the respective video ports to make them active or use a headless ghost on one so that it is active in the bios. Windows then has to be set to prefer the Intel chip so the sharing of tasks is at its most efficient.

Ray.

Hi, well I am communicating with custom build shop where I live and they are bit confused with what you say above. They say what you have said goes completely against this.

https://www.magix.com/gb/video/movie-edit-pro/specifications/#c1199517

Which is link to the Magix software requirements??

@Steve-McClelland

Hi Steve.

Trust me when I tell you to put the word 'all' into the minimum specifications list.

Note it says minimum specs. It will work without an Intel GPU but not anywhere near as well as with one and one should aim for the specs to be higher than the minimum specs, after all you have it running already, but not well at present.

We are just advising how to get a better experience. The same as most of us would say to avoid AMD CPUs for this program. Again MEP would work, but not as well.

Also ask yourself or your builder why an Intel CPU with a specific GPU or higher is mentioned if not important.

From a personal standpoint of using MEP on a system with no Intel GPU and one with one, the difference in experience is chalk and cheese.

Ray.

@Steve-McClelland

@CubeAce (Ray) is entirely correct!

As I pointed out to you in the very first reply to your original question, if you want to take advantage of the reduction in Export time etc., that Hardware Acceleration offers you must have an intel CPU with integrated Graphics chip. No ifs, no buts!

Jeff

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

Like Steve, I am looking for a new computer (in other thread) and I find all of this somewhat confusing. To simplify it, here is my understanding:

1. To get hardware acceleration (HWA) one needs at least Intel Graphics HD 520 or better for MPEG2/AVC/HEVC. Better is Intel Graphics HD 630 so get this.
2. For video acceleration - preview and general editing, effects, etc. - get HD 630 (done as per point 1) and/or NVIDEO Geforce GTX 1050 or better. Better is GTX 1060 4GB VRAM and covers you for 8K editing.

If you don't get at least Intel Graphics HD 520, then no HWA, even if you get the GTX 1060 4GB VRAM. So point 1 is the most important.

If you get at least Intel Graphics HD 630, then you get both HWA and video acceleration, no absolute need for the GTX card.

If you also get the GTX you get a little more bang - some of the video load is taken by the GTX. Is this correct?

Here is the link to my thread about getting a new computer. Right now, I am going with the Intel card that has integrated HD 630, plus GeForce RTX 3060 12GB GDDR6. I am not going for the minimum.

Thus, get both integrated HD 630 and a good NVIDIA video card like GTX 1060.

John CB

@Steve-McClelland

Hi

From the system specs you linked to:

Graphics card: Onboard, min. resolution 1280 x 1024, 512 MB VRAM and DirectX 11 support (recommended: Intel Graphics HD 520 or better for MPEG2/AVC/HEVC)

Onboard means integrated, ie in the processor, this is a requirement - the rest of the sentence

INFUSION Engine 2 supports video acceleration for AVC and HEVC on Intel, NVIDIA or AMD GPUs with 1GB VRAM or higher Example: Intel Graphics HD 630, NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1050, AMD Radeon RX470

Indicates that the Infusion engine can also use Nvidia and AMD cards if they are also present - they are not necessary for MEP to work correctly.

John EB

@browj2

Hi John.

A GTX 1050 is recommended for up to 1080p but a 1060 is recommended for higher definition handling as far as I can make out. I think that seems to have a relation to how many shader units is within the nvidia card as to how well it performs as well as amount of ram. At least I think I'm seeing a relationship between what people here report back as to their systems performance. Also how well it performs handling Direct X12.1.

I agree an nvidia card helps but nowhere near as much as having either an Intel HD 520 or HD 630 available.

I'm not even sure if you could really find a 3060 card if you wanted one at present.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . I'm not even sure if you could really find a 3060 card if you wanted one at present . . . .

A very deep wallet will find you one - they are available at ridiculous prices.

John EB

@johnebaker

I would rather wait for the bitcoin bubble to burst again John.

Then buy new when the market floods with second hand cards.

Ray.

@CubeAce @johnebaker

Hi,

The shop had received a couple of 3060 cards when I got the quote of about $700 Cdn (about $500+USD). Is that a steep price? Maybe I should drop my expectations a bit, but maybe the price will drop over the next month or so.

John CB

Hi John.

Let's put it this way.

Nvidia official pricing page UK

Ray.

@browj2

Hi John

Depending on the manufacturer the 8GB RTX 3060 is available here for between £480 - £600 approx $830 - $1050 Cdn - this particular store is also limiting them to one per person due to shortage.

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John,

Wowsie! That is expensive. The one that I have the quote for is:

ZOTAC PCIE GEFORCE RTX 3060 12GB GDDR6

I checked a couple of North American sites (1 Cdn & 1 US) and the prices are the same as my quote, but the product is not available.

John CB

@browj2

Our prices always include any purchase taxes when shown. Would that make a difference?

Ray.

Hi all, so cant find post on here regarding matching bit rate to camera, but some one did and got me thinking. Also Ray mentioned I could up a bit. Soooo

122 Megabytes (MB)=124,928 KiloBytes (KB)

122 is my Mavic Air 2 camera, so set 124928 into MEP and what do ya know, much much better. No pixelation and smooth footage. Ok, large file size but that’ll do for now until i sort new PC. Means I can still film in 4k and export 1920 x 1080 ok.

Thanks 😊

@Steve-McClelland

Glad you have something usable Steve. It's a nice little camera on that drone. I think the Pocket 2 is now also using that sensor but there is no HEVC option.

Ray.

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . Wowsie! That is expensive . . . .

That is true - we still get ripped off compared to the US and Canada, VAT, the equivalent of your purchase/sales tax, is 20%.

Interestingly a 12GB model of the RTX 3060 is £450 here, however the specs say it is slower and has fewer CUDA cores than the 8GB 3060 model we have available.

The only price I can find for the Zotac here is £800 / $1400 Cdn - this may be a quick rich merchant as that model not available here yet.

John EB

@Steve-McClelland Hi, just read everything 😂 I had a similar prob, as a novice all the above mentioned can be a bit overwhelming, a couple of yrs ago i upgraded to an i7 with 16gb RAM, i quickly upgraded that to 32gb RAM but not because i needed to just because i could, it was working ok with 16gb, I then had a Nvidia 1080 card i think, I too make YT vids but not in 4K, for most people watching on their phones/laptops MP4 1920x1080 is more than enough & used to upset my PC, it took ages creating Proxy files just so my PC would run smoother, I gave up & stuck to 1920x1080 H;264, (i had a prob for a moment when my phone filmed in H;265, but i fixed that in the settings of the phone & never set it back to that) my vids are sharp (when i film them right or my phone behaves itself 😂) but the biggest improvement to exporting i found was changing the internal GPU to On, i believe then all the graphics card is doing is playing/showing the video, the export rendering is done with your i5 & the motherboard GPU, it cut rendering times in half, before this a 20min MP4 1920x1080 vid was taking an hr or more to export, depending on if included any extras like effects, so I'd leave it to do it's thing & go to bed, but now i can export & review it same night while it's all fresh in my head, The biggest difference i've found to picture quality of the exported vid is the VBR Bit rate thingy, there's a point where the image doesn't get any better because you set it high & it really slows the export time down but if you set it too low the picture is rubbish, I don't fully understand all the other tech 'stuff' but that is my main observation when exporting.

this is my go-to setting, which is normally for YT

On your PC 3gb RAM ? that does seem very low for an i5? I'm not sure even now how my PC would handle editing 4K, i haven't set my phone to that for a while, just out of curiosityi might give it a try 🤷‍♂️ but i'll be sticing to the MP$ 1920x1080 for YT

This is the link to the conversation i had with the people you've been chatting with who were very helpful, thanks again i still appreciate it when i see my vid render in the time it takes to have me Tea 😁👍

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/how-can-i-make-movie-edit-pro-plus-work-faster--1243320/?page=1

Thats great information. Thanks very much for taking the time to respond with all that information. I have been in touch with custom build pc shop to buy a new tower and they have said that they don't understand why Magix are pushing the HD630 onboard graphics chip and not just having a geforce gtx 1070 8gb. The shop tell me that once you add the graphics card then the chip becomes redundant. I just dont get it either, I have one side telling me one thing and pc shop and reviews telling me the other. All reviews I have read is that the HD630 is only good for basic video editing and not for 4k or higher. I have been quoted £900 for new i7 5820K 16gb Corsair ddr4 on an Asus x99 motherboard with 1070 gtx graphics card. I dont mind spending the money but is it going to work is my question. Is it just Magix software and do i move over to premier pro with new tower??

Could I ask a couple of more things from you. How do you film, 4k or film 1080. I still want to film 4k to future proof my footage but happy to export 1080 for now. Also the screen shot you have put on, could you go back to same page and then click advanced and then screen shot that page for me as well.

Much appreciated.

@Former user @Steve-McClelland @Former user @browj2 @emmrecs @johnebaker

Hi Steve.

Adding a graphics card to a PC build will indeed cut off the inboard GPU unless you run both video ports which means the motherboard must also accommodate a video port and either have a second monitor plugged into it or a headless ghost (for around a tenner) to activate the Intel GPU which Most video NLEs will use to power both GPUs. Whether that is at 1080p or 4K.

Here you can see both GPUs in use during export. Notice neither is anywhere near being fully used. This is true whether you have one or two GPUs in the system but playback and exporting is a much better experience with two GPUs providing both are powerful enough for the task and fall within the minimum specs or preferably above.

Further tweaks within Windows will improve the efficiency of the use of both GPUs as shown above.

A 1080p HEVC export shown below with various component workloads..

My initial system when I first started needed 16hours to render one of my projects at 1080p, which was partly down to some titling I use and the odd effect, as well as types of fades, but that has become less than an hour now for a similar length project at 4K. 1080p exports tend to be slightly longer than the length of the video but again mainly down to my title sequences that slow down exporting.

If you look at the minimum requirements of a lot of other video editing programs you will see the inclusion of an Intel GPU along with an nvidia or AMD graphics card. Also for most third party effects as well. These are not normally 'and or' options if read correctly but the specification of what each video editor needs will show how far down the line the program has been developed, so some may need less processing power than others.

Pinnacal Studios.

Adobe.

Filmora.

There are one of two video editors that need more CPU cores and higher clock speeds instead using a GPU for their main calculations but they also tend to need quite high specified CPUs to work well and lots of memory.

If you want a test. Export the demo project using the base export settings that will pop up under the 'save as' option and time the export. Both John EB and my systems will do it in around 54 seconds.

Ray.