For this very reason, because only very few programs support ProRes RAW, @Tusk has to be very careful about what recording format he uses.

When he takes his Video with IPHONES.

@Marc-Goder Yep, well said, back on topic 😏👍

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4:4:4 and 4:2:2

• VP will import with video/sound
• VPX and MMS 2025 will import, however video only
• Quicktime player - plays with video and audio
• VLC plays with video and sound
  
  Interesting that VPX and MMS pick up the codec, at least for the video portion.

John EB

@johnebaker Hi, I'm not sure which files you're ref to, are these just a couple of ProRes files you have? Do 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 normally play ok for you?

Do you want to try these two? A 422 & a 44 ProRes rendered from Vegas, both these load & play in MMS2025 for me.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OLwrrNsOQYF4NkKCx2nsvW7RE5fOYTz4?usp=sharing

Hello all,

Thanks for the list of what runs ProRes, at least I know not to even try, being a videographer w/ limited $$. I apologize for being very tech inadequate, after a while the verbiage just goes over my head, so I'm left to 'trial and error' which could be expensive. I should've known newer technolgy/codecs would require someone w/ the means to purchase the associated programs and some technical knowledge. At least the newer iPhones have some other camera settings I can 'trial and error' my way through

@CubeAce As far as recording via phones, I almost never use the audio from the phone, unedited. I've stuck w/ Magix for as long as I've run my channel, over 12 years because of the flexibility in it's audio editing. Regardless of the recording instrument, the venue 'space' and how sounds bounce around it has a lot to do w/ what the mic records. After several years of trial and error w/ android/windows/iPhone, iPhones audio has been the most consistent (not distorted by volume/clipping) that's why I use iphones as back up even when I get external mic access. In fact often the audio my external mics capture are too 'thin' so there'll be times I'll layer it over the iPhone audio w/ it's volume turned down to give the overall audio better 'girth' because the iphone audio has a more 'well rounded' sound (for lack of the appropriate verbiage).

Obviously the goal is to get sound board audio, but I don't control that, I'm at the whim of what Haley allows and I know better than to push my luck. She saves her sound board audio for when she wants to use one of my videos for her channel:

At a recent show, the venue sound guy offered me their sound board audio when I approached him to find out where I can place my external mics. I think Haley might've allowed it because her tour manager was in the room when the venue sound tech offered. That's the goal so I don't even have to worry about such things as audio codecs and just concentrate on videoing. Thanks again Cheers.

Thanks for the list of what runs ProRes, at least I know not to even try,

@Tusk Your orig comment -

So before I invest more into utilizing the expanded capabilities of the new iPhone Pro's in video editing, I'd like to know if my editing software can even run it. Supposedly, I read DaVinci Resolve can run it, but not the 'RAW' version. I have very limited knowledge of codecs and formats, so any info will help before I buy more hardware for my iPhone.

To clarify ALL my programs will load & play ProRes but not ProRes RAW, with respect your last statement 'I have very limited knowledge of codecs and formats' is apparent, I've been editing for 20yrs, I have over £10,000 of PC & software but RAW files are something I've never had to deal with & to be honest a lot of it goes over my head, so up to now I don't even consider them.

&! - From the research just done the majority of programs don't work with RAW, even Apple only added theirs fairly recently - 'Adobe added support for ProRes Raw to Premiere Pro in version 14.5, which was released in October 2020'

I just looked at your phone specs online & it's quite clear that you have a choice of ProRes or ProRes RAW.

So the big question is why do you want RAW when that is related to the video, esp seeing as it's the audio you seem to be more interested in?

I repeat All my programs will play & edit ProRes, but not ProRes RAW.

If you can't answer that question read this from Apple regarding Apple ProRes RAW (link below), if you can understand all in that link then you'll be able to explain why you seem fixed on the RAW side of this conversation. I think this comes back to you not understanding that ProRes & ProRes RAW are separate & that you have a choice, I very much doubt either format has anything to with the audio side of things. Audio codecs are different to video codecs.

https://images.apple.com/final-cut-pro/docs/Apple_ProRes_RAW_White_Paper.pdf

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You still haven't shared the MediaInfo of one of your files & so we know nothing about the audio side of this conversation.

@Gid "So the big question is why do you want RAW when that is related to the video, esp seeing as it's the audio you seem to be more interested in?"

Since I've had the fortune of 'regular' camera access including external microphones (sometimes) my iPhone usage is and has always been for back up, in case my other media is unusable for whatever reason. My 'guerrilla videography' tendencies, that is, being able to work w/ what's available, before I started getting access, has me being cautiously over compensating for whatever can go wrong by having as many back ups as allowed.

I can never tell when the access comes in, so I travel to the venue, sometimes unaware of what I can bring in, sometimes access is denied by the venue, sometimes Haley can't get the go ahead for me until hours before the show, so I can't test levels at sound check etc, that's when the iPhone can come in handy, while not being the best quality, it's workable for reasons posted above and more often than not, a venue will allow a phone camera but nothing else.

My OP was asking about ProRes, I never considered ProRes Raw because from what I've read, it requires a lot more technical knowledge and equipment than I'm capable of.

I'm just waiting for the iPhone camera to be as good as 'regular cameras' (I use two camcorders because they don't stop recording after 20 minutes/half hour than most cameras do, to get my 'b roll' shot of the stage in case my closups are unusable. I use a versatile 'bridge' camera for my closeups). IPhones have a notoriously rough time w/ fluorescent blues/reds/purples that so many stage technicians love to use, that I have to use my bridge camera to capture the scene, probably because of it's small sensor. (Even then, the fluorescent colours might look garish, as in the video I posted that Haley used. I had to turn the video to black and white to see if that improved the look of the video, which ended up revealing a lot more detail in her dress and the background. The B&W version was the version she chose)

I've seen some artists, like The Warning, use iPhones for their music videos sometimes, so they are versatile. Best case scenario is to use iPhones exclusively, but their camera isn't quite there yet for what I need, if they'll ever be.

Trust me, I'm a long time Apple/Adobe hater from back in the 90's. It took a lot for me to finally admit to the iPhone versatility for what I need. I wouldn't use them if there was a better alternative... I hate Apple's marketing/exclusivity strategy to technology...

Tusk

Update for those interested, I purchased an external ssd to hopefully get around the sometimes laborious task of downloading the file from my iPhone. I use uploading to my Google drive to extract the file, which can be frustrating as 'full concert' files of 90 minutes or so can get rather large and download interruptions happen. When I've tried to download the regular file from my iPhone to my PC directly through a cable, it arrives as another type of file my Magix/PC can't read. It appears when I upload to my Google drive, the phone converts the files to .MOV files which my PC can read.

With the additional 2TB of external memory the ProRes is activated when I switch to video on my camera, it says there's 73 minutes of recording time. I recorded a few seconds to see what happens when I pull the file from the external to my PC. As some might guess, it was unplayable, the error message says it's encoded with the 'apch' format and is unsupported, there's also mention Quicktime is required.. isn't that an outdated Codec? Also it won't play off my PC, same error message. Typical of Apple and it's freaking exclusivity

I recorded another video, this time 4k at 120fps to my external drive , what i was hoping to make most use of and the same apch error message showed when I tried to play it. (had to move from my photos to the storage, it seems the only file so far that automatically saves to the external is the ProRes file, anything else goes to default Photos). It seems, right now, the only way to use any 4k 120fps file is to run it through iMovie first. Recording at 4k at 30fps however works like it always has, it's just the 120 fps that won't play.

Since this is a newish codec, I'm hoping it'll be more user friendly as technology catches up. At least I now have a way to more efficiently extract my iPhone videos using the external drive, so I guess that's a bonus. There are 'free' conversion pages on the internet, but I'm so freaked out about downloading malware that unless I know it's safe, I'm not going to even try.

So kind of a bummer, but knowing I'm dealing w/ Apple, I'm not surprised

From the Apple community page, it does offer a downloadable codec for ProRes/Raw but it seems it's only for Apple products

This software enables playback of ProRes RAW and ProRes RAW HQ video files in compatible applications on Windows systems.

Compatible Applications

Adobe After Effects

Adobe Media Encoder

Adobe Premiere Pro

Adobe Premiere Rush

https://support.apple.com/en-us/106401

Thanks for the help, Tusk

@Tusk

Hi.

If you read the document from Apple that @Gid gave a link to you would have read at some point a phrase that said something like, 'Our ProRes files are designed to work seamlessly with Final Cut Pro'. Final cut Pro, and I guess their codec has been optimised to work with the ARM chips used in the latest Mac machines as Apple doesn't tend to rely on GPUs. As I said earlier, it's what Apple does. It doesn't matter what 'support' they give out, they know darn well that without the supporting hardware and programs people are getting nowhere with editing outside of their eco system.

Then again, Apple market themselves as a premium quality product that has a minority share of any one of the technology market's various niches and such behaviour is predominant in the 'luxury' marketplace. With cars it's specialist repair tools and replacement part costs.

Ray.

@Tusk

there's also mention Quicktime is required.. isn't that an outdated Codec? 

Myself, @johnebaker @CubeAce & @Bol mentioned or implied we have Quicktime installed, I don't know if @Marc-Goder does or not? , @Bol shared a link Apple Quicktime: support and security, I'm on the Vegas forum where I'm 99% certain everyone there also has Quicktime installed.

​​​​​​Any scary post you read online about Quicktime being unsafe are related to the online file sharing side of the app, that is because it's as you say outdated & unsupported, no one is checking the security anymore.

Simple answer to that is - Install it, don't fill in any personal details such as email addresses, you can open it once if you wish, go to settings & untick any online related boxes but last time I installed there was nothing ticked. After that just don't touch it, leave it installed & ignore it. It's the codecs that come with the app that you need, your PC will use them as it wishes, once installed you don't have to do anything with it.

I've never had a problem nor have I ever heard of anyone having a problem with Quicktime.