@Gid, @AAProds

Hi Gid, Al

I have removed 'unecessary coments' from both of your posts, rather than delete them. there are valid comments in both which add to the conversation.

John EB

@johnebaker @Can-Dive @browj2 @AAProds @Gid @AAProds @Reyfox

I am now, at the risk of being controversial, going to risk making a personal statement. This is my view and accept it may not be appreciated by everyone.

'I have never understood why after a period of time Magix did not combine the Vegas and Magix forums to one forum'.

(waits for flying fur to settle) There, I said it.

They are now all Magix owned programs. Yes they have different interfaces and workflows but the problems having two forums has caused, especially here where there are people who could quite easily answer questions is completely beyond me. So one workflow doesn't suit some people over another. So what? We don't have to answer or join in every topic posted. I avoid answering questions about creating playable DVD/Blu-ray discs like the plague. One, it is of no interest to me personally and two, I have no extended experience of problems creating one which I think I may have only attempted a couple of times.

I feel that having two separate forums has just created an us and them attitude and produced fanboy unwanted comments where there has been no need for them. Don't get me wrong, it's bad on both forums. Possibly worse on the Vegas forum for lack of sympathy to bewildered topic posters. Only caused by having two forums where one would suffice IMHO.

I feel comparing the work done with both sets of programs is useful. Do some not realise that some of the 'added extras' has been trickled down from the Vegas development side of things lately?

The infusion engine is not primary a Magix thing, just it's version of a released TDK that Magix, Adobe, and a few others have taken advantage of and developed their own versions. It is not a Magix exclusive and free for developers to implement their own take of it and based on some hardware changes to some GPUs, hence the change of base hardware requirements. The same as working with AV1, it's a pain to work with if you don't have an nvidia 4070 or higher to get the advantage of hardware acceleration. I'm not sure what Intel GPU inboard is required. I know I have neither.

There seems do have been much more program development on the Vegas side which should be worrying anyone using VPX or MMS. I would love to see more development on our side of things. I'm just not sure what the owners are thinking. When was the last time update announcements were made here by Magix staff? Or asked for feedback on an update?

Ray.

I feel that having two separate forums has just created an us and them attitude and produced fanboy unwanted comments where there has been no need for them. Don't get me wrong, it's bad on both forums. Possibly worse on the Vegas forum for lack of sympathy to bewildered topic posters.

Excuse me but I disagree and object to this comment. It is certainly not worse on the Vegas forum, In fact it hardly exists on the Vegas forum. Folk posting there by mistake are simply redirected here. As for attitude problems and fanboy attitudes yes they are common on this forum but not on the Vegas forum.

Not sure whether a combined forum would be better. I see no point in having to trawl through posts about a program I never use because of the possibility that the post, if not named perfectly, might be about Magix or might be about Vegas. That could occur if both forums were merged.

Talkgraphics, the Xara forum, would be an layout option to achieve what Ray is suggesting. A large forum but with clearly defined sub-forums for each product. I only visit the Web Designer subforum and don't see any of the others.

But, would that solve the confusion that has occurred with the purchase by Magix of Vegas and the rebrand of MEP? Probably not. It would probably make it worse because people on the "Vegasy" type forum would see "Movie Studio" and leap in, with the same . Unless there was a separate sub-forum for the two versions...

As for fanboys, I'm going to hop over to the Vegas forum and see if I can spot any! 😃

Video editing software to me is like ice cream. Some like vanilla, others, chocolate, and someone like me, Rocky Road (sure wish I could get that here in Poland). We all have our personal preferences, which is just that, personal.

My initial observation for this post was about the VPX website and how it compares with others out there. And while we can discuss the pros and cons of what the software needs, to me, overall first impressions are extremely important. Software of the caliber of VPX deserves a better website than what it already has. I say this because I don't want to see the software fall by the wayside because of marketing the software. In addition, the website hasn't changed in a very long time with it's basic look. If I were considering VPX, and took a look at their website, I wouldn't be impressed enough to buy the software. There is nothing showing how it can edit, and what it can produce. On the other hand, MMS does. Go figure....

I do like competition in the anything I am interested in. It usually drives things forward with improvements and updates. I'm hoping that VPX gets the needed "love" it needs to be competitive and to prosper. There have been a lot of good suggestions from people that use Magix, just hoping someone else is listening.

As for a unified "forum". I am assuming @CubeAce means with separate tabs at the top like there are now for the different products. You would see Vegas, VPX/MMS, etc., as separate tabs. There would be a tab labeled Vegas Movie Studio in addition to Magix Movie Studio. I do think the renaming of MEP/VD was a HUGE mistake on Magix part creating more confusion than necessary, but here we are, and it isn't going to change in the foreseeable future.

@ericlnz @AAProds @johnebaker @Gid @Reyfox

As I sometimes do, part of my post was clickbait to see who had a humour lobotomy or just plain disagreement.

That was the only point of my post.

I posted it was IMHO and if that was not enough I added this disclaimer.

This is my view and accept it may not be appreciated by everyone.

Hi Eric.

My experience of the Vegas forum only comes from casual browsing and mainly based on a few observations I saw a long time ago so Eric may have a point but I only at that time saw redirects, no other helpful words or suggestions and yet there are people there that also have a Magix product.

Sorry if I offended you Eric but that was my direct point. A lack of sympathy for those posting in a mistaken or erroneous manor.

Hi Al.

You raise some very good points.

The site would need an additional topic or two headers, and things will still need redirecting from time to time but I'm trying to see a way of reducing offence by trying to make people realise the products are all under one roof so to speak. Comparison and learning from other's experience and now what has been possible can only be a good thing. I think we all agree the MEP MMS thing was a disaster. I'm not sure what Magix was thinking or afraid of. Their eventual offer of a lower upgrade to the Pro Edit version at the time should have been their first response.

There is nothing perfect but I do feel frictions can and should be reduced.

This was my take on how it may be achieved. I have been known to be wrong before 😉

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@Reyfox

Totally agree and exactly what I was about.

Ray.