VideoPro 7X not reading files from Xi24k camera any suggestions?

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/3/2017, 6:53 AM

Just realised this is my first post here for 7 years and still some reconisable names Wow!

I recently bought a Xi2 4K action cam (not the 4K+) as an addition to my Gopro and SJ4000 cams. Most of my filming is in 4K and HD with Panasonic cams, with the smaller action cams for unusual or discreet angles, plus some electronic stabiliser mounting for walk around shots.

Magix will run almost anything including 3 streams of 4k or a mix of 4k and HD. It will also play files from the GoPro and SJ4000 cameras. However it will allow me to load in footage from the Yi, but will lock up immediately I try to run it. That applies to footage in any resolution from the Yi. Windows media player plays it with no problem at all, so it must be a difference with the Yi Codec. Has anybody else had a similar problem or know what steps I can take next? I have transcoded using Handbrake, but would prefer to use the original files for best clarity.

Intel I7-6700 3.4Ghz (8 thread) 16Gb Ram, Graphics Nvidea GT740, Win10 Home V1703 64-bit

Roger

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johnebaker wrote on 10/5/2017, 2:41 AM

Hi Peter

Here is the MediaInfo data for both files

Original

General
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Duration                                 : 26 s 880 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 61.6 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
Tagged date                              : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37

Video
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Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 26 s 880 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
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Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
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Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
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Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 1.157
Stream size                              : 193 MiB (98%)
Title                                    : XiaoYi AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
Tagged date                              : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
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Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
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Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
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Channel positions                        : Front: L R
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Language                                 : English
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Tagged date                              : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37

Converted

General
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Duration                                 : 26 s 880 ms
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Encoded date                             : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
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Video
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Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
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Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=8
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 26 s 880 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 60.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 1.157
Stream size                              : 193 MiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
Tagged date                              : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
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Format profile                           : LC
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 26 s 838 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 640 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Encoded date                             : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37
Tagged date                              : UTC 1970-01-01 00:33:37

As you can see the bitrate is still Constant.

John EB

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:11 AM

Hi Roger

The main reason for wanting to put the 4K footage through Recoder was to reduce the bit rate at the same time as correcting the audio problem, as the Yi 4K footage stutters quite badly in Magix.

I would be surprised if the higher bit rate is causing the stuttering on a machine of your spec. unless you have something majorly wrong with your HDD setup, which is unlikely. Have you enabled the Intel HD graphics on your i7 and is it selected in the "Program Settings> Display Options>Preview In Arranger> Video Mode" as you may get better preview performance compared with the GT740.

BTW I believe the latest VPX will have better preview performance with 4K than VPX7 has especially as you have a 6th gen Intel CPU / iGPU with its optimizations for MPEG4 H264 / H265 material. Also you may be interested that it does its colour processing in 16bit which is supposed to give smoother colour gradations even when working with material that is only 8bit.

Good Morning Peter,

Now this is an interesting post as I didn't realize that I could enable the Intel HD graphics. I can't see any information on doing this, or do you mean following the programme setting path that you posted?

I tried the colour matching before going to bed at 2am this morning, very impressive and will save a bunch of time over doing it manually.

Roger

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:19 AM

OK I just looked at the settings in VPX and there is no option to use the Intel HD graphics. I took a grab showing the only two options, so presumably I need to turn the graphics on via a Windows 10 setting. I haven't a clue where to do that so help would be very welcome :-)

Roger

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:21 AM

The grab didn't capture the drop down with the two options, they are Microsoft basic render driver or the GT740 as shown.

Roger

emmrecs wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:48 AM

Hi Roger.

It might be worth checking in Device manager that your Intel Graphics are enabled. On my system I see the following:

If you're not sure how to access Device Manager, simply right click on the Windows start icon (bottom left corner) and select Device Manager.

HTH

Jeff

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:49 AM

A quick Google search tells me to right click on the desktop and enter the 'Graphics' tab, however there is no graphics tab, just the nVidea control panel. I then downloaded the Intel assistant from their website and it tell me that there are no Intel products in my computer??? I can only assume that something is set in the Bios to override the intel graphics. The Bios is dangerous territory for me.

Roger

emmrecs wrote on 10/5/2017, 4:56 AM

I think that Google advice is for older versions of Windows! As you say, the "Graphics" option no longer exists.

Did you check the settings in Device Manager?

Jeff

EDIT: to add, I have the identical CPU to yours, i7 6700K and can use both it and my discrete (AMD Radeon) graphics card in VPX.

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 5:23 AM

Hi jeff,

The device manager shows the Intel processor, but under Display Adapters just shows the nVidea card. The company that built the computer vaguely suggested taking out the card and the computer may then reset to the intel graphics. Seems like a last resort to me, there must be a more straightforward way of recognising it especially as you can switch between card and processor on yours. As I haven't been to the back of the PC for months, maybe I can just unplug the monitors from the card output and plug into another output from the board.

Roger

emmrecs wrote on 10/5/2017, 5:36 AM

Hi Roger.

In Device Manager>View, if you select to Show hidden devices, does the i7 now show under Display Adaptors?

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 5:45 AM

Hi Jeff,

Good thought, but under hidden devices it still only shows the nVidea card. Something must be disabled somewhere!

Roger

Scenestealer wrote on 10/5/2017, 5:47 AM

Hi Roger

maybe I can just unplug the monitors from the card output and plug into another output from the board.

Yes, that may work as the setting in BIOS is usually on Auto for the choice between CPU graphics or PCIE (discreet card).

If you have 2 monitors you can plug one into the Mother board and the other into the discreet card.

A trick if you only have one monitor - plug the CPU graphics from the Mobo into the second monitor input if it has one, leaving the other one connected to the GT740.

What is the Make and model of your Mobo?

Peter

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/5/2017, 6:07 AM

Before trying any re-plugging, I took a couple of screen grabs, one showing system info, but no model number for the Gigabyte board. The other is the boot settings that I have never touched, which may be relevant.

Roger

johnebaker wrote on 10/5/2017, 6:09 AM

Hi Roger

. . . . . under Display Adapters just shows the nVidea card . . . . The company that built the computer vaguely suggested taking out the card and the computer may then reset to the intel graphics. . . . .

This suggests the integrated Intel GPU was disabled when they set up the NVidia card - this probably was done in the BIOS, hence their 'recommendation' to remove the NVidia card.

Worst case scenario is pulling the NVidia will end up with the computer booting to a blank screen - if it does switch off reinsert the card and all should be back where we started.

Once all other options have been exhausted I would try resetting the BIOS back to its default configuration, however what we do not know is if there are any custom settings in there which will be lost.

HTH

John EB

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/6/2017, 5:20 AM

I pulled the NVidea card after further discussion with the computer builder as they told me that the system would then find the Intel graphics. What actually happened was that the computer rebooted to the second monitor ignoring my main monitor. It also found the graphics on the MB, which were not great. I then shut down again before rebooting and both monitors came on after about 5 minutes of loading (normally 30secs) Both monitors looked to be running a fairly low res and a quick check showed still using MB graphics. I shut down the system again and made a cup of tea! I decided to put the NVidea card back in, but first out of interest started the system up again. This time it came on in about 30 seconds and a quick check showed an Intel graphics control panel??? Having now set everything up, VPX seems to be running perfectly fine with the exception of two things which I have started a new thread on. Whether it is quicker on the NVidea or the Intel graphics is difficult to say but I can't tell any difference, but VXP7 seems smoother than VPX with several video streams.

Thanks for your help and patience with my Yi 4K problem which is now manageable :-)

Roger

johnebaker wrote on 10/6/2017, 8:46 AM

Hi Roger

Thanks for letting us know.

John EB

Scenestealer wrote on 10/6/2017, 5:54 PM

Hi Roger

Good to see you have made progress there, but it seems rather a strange series of actions that made you able to see your Intel graphics. I presume the low resolution display was due to the correct monitor resolution not being set on the Intel graphics output in the Intel control panel? BTW make sure you have updated the Intel Graphics drivers from the Intel site's Downloads area - the latest should end in ...xxx.4771. These are updated fairly frequently.

I notice from your earlier screen shot of the Boot Config. that it is showing a Selective startup. It might be worth checking with the PC builder as to what has been disabled as maybe this could explain why there appeared to be no trace of Intel on your system. A look at the startup tab may tell you something.

I have commented on "determining which GPU should be showing what" in your subsequent topic of 6-10-17.

Peter

Scenestealer wrote on 10/6/2017, 6:21 PM

Hi John EB

Thanks for the Media info shot. Obviously that extra entry about the Nominal 48kbps bit rate is not present in the re encode so sort of reinforces that anomally was causing problems.

Interesting to note that the camera files bitrate is quite high for HD resn. and this would be due to the short GOP with no B frames, ie less compression, all of which should make for less load on the CPU during preview which should play smoother. The sample plays very smoothly here on VPX7 with only 2% to 3% CPU loading.

Peter

johnebaker wrote on 10/7/2017, 4:20 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . Obviously that extra entry about the Nominal 48kbps bit rate is not present in the re encode so sort of reinforces that anomally was causing problems. . . .

It certainly looks like that is the issue.

. . . . Interesting to note that the camera files bitrate is quite high for HD resn . . . .

Agreed, I suspect the camera may have a 'Quality' setting which is set very high.

John EB

RogerGunkel wrote on 10/9/2017, 6:31 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . Obviously that extra entry about the Nominal 48kbps bit rate is not present in the re encode so sort of reinforces that anomally was causing problems. . . .

It certainly looks like that is the issue.

. . . . Interesting to note that the camera files bitrate is quite high for HD resn . . . .

Agreed, I suspect the camera may have a 'Quality' setting which is set very high.

John EB

Hi John,
That's a good spot! After a busy weekend, I tried out some more footage this morning with the Yi 4K and after going through the camera menus, realised that there was a setting to change the quality in each resolution, High-Mid-low. Recording the video in 4k,2.7k and 1080 at the 'Mid' setting gave immediate playback with no stuttering and no audio problems. The image is very slightly softer but still very useable, so thanks for the investigative analysis guys :-)

Roger