@johnebaker

Hi John.

I don't know about Google but Adobe is a possibility.

My own personal preference now is to create a large Tiff, PNG or Adobe PSD file with the text and use that with size, position, rotation. I find the renders go a lot faster that way and less stressful on my system during playback.

@browj2

Hi John. My guess would be that if @Tara_888 has been using Vegas Pro previously that they downgraded to MMS thinking it would be the lighter version of Pro, which a couple of years ago it would have been. There will no doubt be another swath of people eventually with the same problems as they switch up their operating systems from older computers to new ones to find their old software no longer works as well as it once did.

It does take some getting used to, whichever way you switch across programs so I have some sympathy.

Ray.

@browj2

Now, instead of the zoom slider, just change width to % and type in a value like 2000 which looks to be more than enough.

Now you tell me! 😜 That makes it easier. Still reckon the zoom slider was more intuitive. The less tutes required to explain hidden features the better for casual users.

Re the centring of the title, I start with it perfectly centred, but set the final position off-centred, between the biggest "hole". As soon as the title starts moving, the centring becomes irrelevant.

@AAProds

Hi Al,

I would still like to have the zoom slider but with a higher limit, maybe 1 or 2000. But, the width does the same thing so I can live without it. I would also like to have the CZS do titles.

It's not centring the title, it's centring the zoom point which is the anchor point. Now that we have that feature, it's has some great uses that I never thought of as possible. Even before, if you zoomed in on the title, it may not have been the best point to zoom in to. Adjusting the anchor point solves that problem. Of course, one could always keyframe the position, but I was trying to keep it simple.

About the tuts, one of my recent tutorials on Music Maker that users seem to like a lot follows...wait for it...the manual. I didn't bother to mention that.

My wife just came in with the new star dog. She said that it's snowing outside. It's that white powdered water that we have in the great white north. I'm off to hibernate till spring or till sunrise.

John CB

@browj2

But, the width does the same thing so I can live without it.

I'm having trouble with this. Vertical dragging works well. Horizontal dragging works very slowly and ends up highlighting/blocking the numbers. Is Horizontal supposed to work at the same rate?

 I'm off to hibernate till spring or till sunrise.

You're not doing that "bear in the woods" thing, are you?!

I am lost in MS 2023, MS use to act like Vegas Pro

Vegas Movie Studio Platinum has been discontinued. Vegas Software Team concentrates their resources on Vegas Edit/Pro. The current Magix Movie Studio is a completely different program that just changed its name from "Magix Movie Edit Pro" to "Magix Movie Studio" ( a little commercially deceptive ).

If you want to get the same UI and way of operating as Vegas movie Studio 16, you should upgrade to Vegas Edit. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/free-trials/video-editor-free-download/

If you want a refund, please do so as soon as possible to avoid missing the refund time.

Is the Multiply Mask gone from 2023?

Yes, compared with Vegas Pro / Vegas Movie Studio, Magix Movie Studio / Video Pro X / Movie Edit Pro does not have the function of blend mode / composite mode. So you are not able to find the composite mode "multiply" in Magix Movie Studio.

What is blend/composite mode? :

@browj2 @AAProds @johnebaker

I think the sliders removal from the size position rotation effect was done as a deliberate necessity on Magix's part.

I think it also explains why I suffered jagged edges to the font I chose where others don't as scalability is increased dramatically once you get above 1920 x 1080. My attempt at this was done at 3840 x 2160. Now imagine I'm editing 8K footage because Magix says the program handles that resolution (components allowing). You have a slider that goes 0 to 200. What type of control would you have over that, even as a percentage?

My maximum setting for the text to clear the image was.

Ray.

@Nalmcruto

Hi,

Yes, compared with Vegas Pro / Vegas Movie Studio, Magix Movie Studio / Video Pro X / Movie Edit Pro does not have the function of blend mode / composite mode. So you are not able to find the composite mode "multiply" in Magix Movie Studio.

What is blend/composite mode? :

Thanks for bringing this up.

Let's start with your second video, a tutorial showing how to create the composite using a title. In Vegas, you have to create a composite track and more. In MMS/VPX, you simply do it on the timeline with less steps. The effect can be copied, saved, reuse and more. You can simply duplicate the text and put it somewhere else on the timeline and just change the text and use it with different background and foreground images/videos.

Compare the Vegas method with this:

For the composite modes - multiply, divide, add, subtract, etc., I watched the video and parts 2 to 4 and never saw a practical example. They were blending masks. Could you please give us a practical example?

After being on this forum for many years, most users, probably 99% and that includes Vegas, don't even know how to use a simple mask. Doing composite blends using multiply, divide, add, subtract, etc., is simply not in the vocabulary of most users. I have seen it more used in Photo editing programs. I don't recall anyone ever having asked how to do or use a height map in MEP/MMS/VPX. In BluffTitler, yes.

That said, in MMS/VPX, we can create masks using the Mask Generator, based on Luminance, R, G, B, or Alpha and use them. The mask would then be used to create a composite on the timeline, just like the Title. John Baker has a tutorial on this.

Under Chromakey, we can use Mix and adjust the Video Level of either clip. This makes a composite of the foreground and background. Simply done on the timeline.

Or, create a mask using one of the clips by giving it Alpha and using it as a mask between a background and foreground clip:

Adjusting the sliders changes the mask effect.

There is another effect, but I think that's it's a New Blue effect, that does have modes like multiply, divide, add, subtract, etc., but I can't find it. Never needed to use it.

So, doing the transparent text is easier in MMS/VPX so far as I can see. No need for Composite tracks.

For compositing using multiply, divide, add, subtract, etc., we await your practical example to see if we can do the same in MMS/VPX.

John CB

Hi folks, I've been playing with this as I've nowt better to do (procrastinating),

Magix MS 2023 & Vegas Pro 20, both UHD 3840 x 2160 & the same font.

As has been mentioned there's almost the same steps to achieve this in either program.

In MMS 2023 if I type-in/set the font size anything above 128 that the slider will allow, the program becomes very unresponsive to a point where I've had close it via Taskmanager, so leaving the font at 128 & using SPR the best I can get (without using a special big font or pre-made JPG/PNG) has lots of jaggies, again as mentioned these prob won't be seen to the layman's eye & maybe it can be improved with different fonts but having to use 'special' fonts is not good.

But with Vegas I can Scale the font way beyond what is needed for this effect & still get minimal jaggies,

The scale is set at 15,000, enough to do this effect, (I moved the text so the edge can be seen)

Here Scale is set at 200,000, way way too much needed but still no jaggies to spk of,

I've had MS for 20yrs & am a loyal customer but for this effect Vegas wins hands down.

PS. this is the rendered Vegas version https://drive.google.com/file/d/11T1OAM0XE7msM3yKW5KvNzt8Q1SdKBnd/view?usp=sharing

@Nalmcruto

Hi,

I forgot to include in the video about inverting the arrow. Because I used white text, chromakey alpha uses the white to show what is on the next highest track. Inverting the arrow inverts the effect making black white and white black and everything in between if any. Since there was nothing on track 4 or above, it was black. When I added the other image to track 4, it shows outside of the text. If I invert the chromakey arrow on the text, what is on track 4 now shows in the text with track 1 outside of the text. This is like switching parent/child in Vegas.

@Former user

Hi,

for this effect Vegas wins hands down.

Sorry, it doesn't. You have only addressed the jaggies, not the overall effect. Also, watch my video. I used a text size of 160. I had no slowdown with the program. Yes, if I zoom in on a circular area, I'll get jaggies. In your image, you are zooming into a circular area and you should not be. Look at mine. Here is what it looks like with text size = 160 and zoom = 1100. No jaggies because there is no circular text here. Further zoom in just moves the left and right vertical sides of the text outwards with no jaggies.

I tried with text size = 500, slight slowdown on the timeline, and zoomed in to 600% and moved to a circular area. No jaggies?

The max text size is 999. Significant slowdown of timeline playback. Similar zoom in. No jaggies.

John CB

@Tara_888 or anyone else that might be interested, Humble Bundle is at it again if someone wants Vegas Pro 18 Edit and some other "stuff" for the low price of $25. You can look HERE.

The transition to Vegas Pro 18 from VMS is much easier than going to MMS. In addition to working in a very familiar environment, you get the more advanced features of VP and have a later version than the last available version of VMS.

This does not impinge at all on the ability of MMS to create videos that are "professional" in the least. And the built in templates aid in getting some things done much faster. But for someone coming from VMS to MMS, it's a bit of a learning curve causing them to ask these questions of "how".

@browj2 I did watch your video which is why i mentioned going over 128 is a problem for me,

I mentioned that i was zooming in on the curve to show the edge n therefore the jaggies '(I moved the text so the edge can be seen)'

I was working in UHD but If i use a 1920x1080 project which i suspect you are, I can set the text to 500, I get little slowdown & if I only zoom in a little bit like you have I also get no jaggies, but as you have stated you do get jaggies if you zoom right in on a curve, 'Yes, if I zoom in on a circular area, I'll get jaggies'

Vegas you can zoom in (Scale) the text without ever getting jaggies.

With respect, which version of Vegas do you own?, your mention of 'In Vegas, you have to create a composite track and more' , & 'For the composite modes - multiply, divide, add, subtract, etc. Could you please give us a practical example?', suggests you don't fully understand this procedure, for this effect Multiply (Mask) is a one button press, no compositing tracks need to be created. If you don't use Vegas very often then yes it can seem harder but I'm open to using whichever does the job the best, in this case I stand by my words, Vegas is better at this effect,

@Former user

Hi,

I have Vegas Edit 18, but this has nothing to do with that.

Please look at the two videos in the post by @Nalmcruto

The first one is about blending modes, but there is nothing in there about Vegas and no practical example. As I said, I watch parts 2 and 4 and I still don't know what to do it. No example.

...suggests you don't fully understand this procedure, for this effect Multiply (Mask) is a one button press, no compositing tracks need to be created. 

But @Nalmcruto said:

Video Pro X / Movie Edit Pro does not have the function of blend mode / composite mode. So you are not able to find the composite mode "multiply" in Magix Movie Studio.

I still don't know what practical use this has.

Do you have a practical example?

If there is no practical use for this, then why would we need it? And why would we need it to make the transparent text?

I have Pixelan BlurBender Pro that has blending effects like multiply. Is that anything like what is in Vegas?

John CB

@Former user

Hi

. . . . Could you please give us a practical example? . . . .

I was going to ask the same question of the OP, however @browj2 posted first.

I too am struggling to find a real world use, or examples of, using this effect for video.

John EB

@browj2 Hi, sorry if I was patronising or out of order, compositing isn't easy to understand, so I won't be able to explain, It's a calculation that results in a certain way of blending the colours in two images. some compositing options serve a practical use, such as removing a colour to create transparency, but I think many are for aesthetic reasons,

Yes the Composite options in Vegas are the same as in your pic, I don't have Pixelan but in GIMP the composite options do pretty much the same as the options in Vegas,

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Watched those vids, Pt3 is Multiply & Divide I don't fully understand this,

but this vid always makes me feel better, this is Gary Rebholz owner of Vegas, he can't describe the composite options in this vid 😂

PS, a lot of the Boris effects are set as Screen as default, this affects the lighter parts, It's the wk'end so i won't get much of a reply on their forum but i'll ask for their take on this,

But @Nalmcruto said:

Video Pro X / Movie Edit Pro does not have the function of blend mode / composite mode. So you are not able to find the composite mode "multiply" in Magix Movie Studio.

I still don't know what practical use this has.

Do you have a practical example?

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@browj2 Yes, here are some uses of blend/compositing mode:

1. The simplest use is to make Transparent Titles. No need to list more examples here;

2. Double Exposure :

3. Ink Wipe Transition :

4. Light Leak Overlay :

5. Particle/Dust Overlay :

6. VFX Overlay :

Actually there are more uses.

The blend mode plays a very important role in video production, providing dozens of different blending algorithms for the two layers, not just the basic Alpha/Transparent. Therefore, it was necessary for Magix Team to add this feature to Video Pro X / Movie Studio.

Please note, I have never said that users are not able to blend two layers in VPX/MS. I just mean that blend algorithm are limited to Alpha/Transparent which can do pretty limited things.

@Nalmcruto

Hi,

The blend mode plays a very important role in video production, providing dozens of different blending algorithms for the two layers, not just the basic Alpha/Transparent. Therefore, it was necessary for Magix Team to add this feature to Video Pro X / Movie Studio.

Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, nothing that you showed cannot be done in Magix Movie Studio/Video Pro X.

Unless you have something more, your statements about not being able to blend two layers in VPX/MS is wrong.

For anyone thinking that objects on two tracks cannot be blended without a mask, all you have to do is select Chromakey Mix. Adjust the Video level sliders of one object or the other to get the effect that you want.

I was expecting something more.

BTW, you have a couple of fatal errors. Under #2, Double Exposure, the video uses Sony Vegas 18, which, as we all know, does not exist.

@Former user

Hi,

Thanks for the link to Gary's video. Basically, everything that he showed I showed how to do in Magix Movie Studio, except for the text shadow, which we can also do and a few of the compositing presets such as Screen, Subtract, Divide and a few others that did nothing and even Gary didn't know what they did. Making the text transparent and having a foreground and background is a simple as giving the white text Chromakey Alpha. In Vegas, this was Multiply. So there is nothing astounding here.

Gary mentioned that you can find some interesting effects if you play around with the tools. The same thing applies to MMS/VPX.

Surely there must be something more about compositing in Vegas.

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Did you find the same as I did?

John CB

@browj2

Hi John.

These blend modes were introduced by Adobe and the idea is the precision element of their use and that the groups of blend modes work as opposites. To fully understand their full use it is best to watch an Adobe based video on their use.

Ray.

@browj2, @Nalmcruto

Hi John, Nalmcruto

. . . . Did you find the same as I did? . . . .

After looking throught the videos on YT, I also could reproduce the effects using Movie Studio 2023 using Chromakey as the base effect.

.John EB

How can I download and install previously purchased audio content from my "Movie Edit Pro" product.

@paul-walker

Welcome to the Magix user to user forums.

Assuming you have a fully-registered installation of MEP (which version and edition, by the way?) and that your version is fairly recent, you should be able to access audio content via the Store tab in the workscreen.

EDIT: or they may be shown as downloadable under the Audio tab.

HTH

Jeff
Forum Moderator

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . everything that he showed I showed how to do in Magix Movie Studio, except for the text shadow . . . .

How about this?

All done in MMS - no third party plugins, Blender - my go to for some effects, or any other programs

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

I love the text examples.

Here is another one that can be done using VPX but not MS unless you have the full X3D Maker. I used one of the templates and modified the parameters of the font to make the middle transparent and I modified the animation. I don't think that this can be done in Vegas.

@Nalmcruto

Here are some examples of what can be done using Magix Movie Studio/VPX. I don't have any stunning light leaks overlays, so I used what I had. Some of these are transitions.

This first one morphs from a summer view to a winter view but only in the middle, then to winter.

This one has several types of overlays:

This next one has some transitions. The first one uses the standard ink spill that comes with the program; there are a couple of Pixelan transitions, and the last one in the woods uses Chromakey Mix, which, I guess, would be like the Blend Mode Add. Maybe John EB can confirm what Mix does; it is adjustable with sliders which is how I got it to morph.

This image is just using Chromakey Mix

The next one uses the same ink spill with a couple of variations:

It started snowing hard, then got colourful:

John CB