@Carolly

Hi and welcome to the user to user forums.

Which licence did you buy? Notice all are royalty free but not necessarily copyright free for which on these music tracks is needed for commercial use. A copyright claim in itself is not a problem unless you expect to make money from the upload. All it means is that that video will not be able to be monetized as any revenue generated will go directly to whoever gave out the copyright claim. If you wish to monetize the video then pay for the appropriate licence on the site in your link. Then provide YouTube with proof that you have a valid licence. On the other hand it often that copyright claims are just handed out from people who do not own the copyright themselves and are just chancing their luck and it may be something you can contest but that can be tricky and if found in the wrong can then lead to a strike against your account. The safest bet when looking for music is to either look for sites that offer commercial copyright and royalty free music such as here or use the YouTube free to use music library.

Ray.

@CubeAce Sorry I wasn't clear there; in my experience, "Royalty-Free" is generally what Magix/Producer Planet call their Commercial license, but I do own a commercial license.

I know how copyright claims (not strikes, claims,) work. All I want to know is if this company is a legit arm of Magix.

Thank you for your reply but it's not at all what I asked.

Just to be certain we're clear this time: https://producerplanet.com/pdf/royalty-free-commercial-license-en.pdf

@Carolly

Hi.

In your first post you stated you had a royalty free licence and that is not the same at a copyright free licence which as in your link there are two other types of licence.

Producer Planet is a legitimate Magix site although they also sell third party party plugins so it is possible that some of the music there also comes from third parties.

For that information you would have to contact Magix themselves or Producer Planet for verification especially if the track was obtained using the subscription service as opposed to having a perpetual licence. The two versions have different contracts regarding the use of Producer Planet material as far as I'm aware but not sure about what the terms and conditions are for the subscription service. You can contact Magix at infoservice@magix.net

Ray.

I think you're just not understanding me here, Ray. Thanks for trying, though. I appreciate the email address.

@Carolly

Hi.

I was replying to your last post when you uploaded the link to the pdf.

I personally am not happy with clause 3 section 1.

 It is also not permitted to make the content available in such a
manner that enables third parties to acquire the content as such in the form of an electronic
file or copy, this includes in particular the provision in networks or other environments that
allow third parties to access the content. The customer shall take sufficient protective
measures (e.g. copy protection) to prevent this

I have no idea how you could prevent that if uploaded to a public domain website.

I really think you need clarification from Magix directly.

Ray.

@Carolly

Hi.

I was replying to your last post when you uploaded the link to the pdf.

I personally am not happy with clause 3 section 1.

 It is also not permitted to make the content available in such a
manner that enables third parties to acquire the content as such in the form of an electronic
file or copy, this includes in particular the provision in networks or other environments that
allow third parties to access the content. The customer shall take sufficient protective
measures (e.g. copy protection) to prevent this

I have no idea how you could prevent that if uploaded to a public domain website.

I really think you need clarification from Magix directly.

Ray.

I've been over that one a few times, and I think it refers more to a direct file download; on strictest reading, yes, I see your concern and it's not invalid, but I also think that Magix wouldn't have any customers for very long if they actually went around suing customers of their licensed content simply for using it.

That said though, here is my actual question on this post, the only question I need answered, because I really do understand copyright law and licensing very well, having studied business law, admittedly many years ago:

Are "daredo GmBH" and/or Loudly GmBH legitimate enforcers of Magix copyright?

That's it. That's all I'm asking here. The single question I need anyone to answer.

@Carolly Hi, I guess you'll have to ask Magix, we're just users like you.

I've got to be honest in my videos I avoid music like the plague. As Ray says royalty free vs copyright free music are different & it's a rabbit hole of red tape that I've tried looking into before, too much for my brain,

So genuine question because I am curious & Googling this wasn't 100% clear to me.

In your doc above do you understand - (What I mean is, if this is a commercial licence can you monetise it 🤷‍♂️)

3. Explicit limitations

(7) Use of the content for monetization via YouTube's Content ID program or similar programs

& did you or does it matter if -

(4) Removal of any indications of copyright, trademarks, right of use on or in connection with the content. The customer is obliged to reproduce these markings with every use

Like i say genuine question, I don't know but would like to

@Carolly Hi, I guess you'll have to ask Magix, we're just users like you.

I've got to be honest in my videos I avoid music like the plague. As Ray says royalty free vs copyright free music are different & it's a rabbit hole of red tape that I've tried looking into before, too much for my brain,

So genuine question because I am curious & Googling this wasn't 100% clear to me.

In your doc above do you understand -

3. Explicit limitations

(7) Use of the content for monetization via YouTube's Content ID program or similar programs

& did you or does it matter if -

(4) Removal of any indications of copyright, trademarks, right of use on or in connection with the content. The customer is obliged to reproduce these markings with every use

Like i say genuine question, I don't know but would like to

This I admittedly could be wrong about, because the wording, as you say, is unclear, but: my reading of that is effectively that you cannot use their content to commit Content ID fraud - which is exactly what I'm worried someone is doing here.

In other words: you can't upload something containing the licensed content, assert copyright over it, and then use it to carry out content strikes against other people. Because when someone makes a copyright claim against your video, they assert their right to earn any revenue associated with it.

So for example: let's say I have my channel and I use this song as background music for a video. I can't then tell Content ID, "this is my song, and Gid over here used it too, and so I'm claiming Gid's ad revenue using a Content ID strike." That kind of behaviour is explicitly disallowed for two reasons; one, because it's not actually your song, it's Magix's, and two, because you, Gid, own an equally-valid license that I'm not authorized to enforce.

As for the "removal of indications of copyright" that doesn't apply to.... pretty much any of Magix's licensed content as far as I'm aware, but it's a fairly standard licensing term. Same as in the last section, really: it's saying you can't do something that asserts your ownership of content you've only licensed.

@Carolly

Unfortunately as I introduced my first post, this is a user to user forum so there are no Magix staff present on the forums. Even the moderators are not Magix staff. None of us here have any more information on such matters as you could find yourself doing an internet search.

Having said that it is possible that daredo GmBH is looking after Magix interests on YouTube having looked at the site. We have no way of knowing. All I can say is from personal experience I have given up using any supplied content from Magix as it nearly has always ended up in a situation similar to your own.

You could contact YouTube with your copy of your licence and see if you could remove it but personally I would contact Magix first.

Ray.

@Carolly

Unfortunately as I introduced my first post, this is a user to user forum so there are no Magix staff present on the forums. Even the moderators are not Magix staff. None of us here have any more information on such matters as you could find yourself doing an internet search.

Having said that it is possible that daredo GmBH is looking after Magix interests on YouTube having looked at the site. We have no way of knowing. All I can say is from personal experience I have given up using any supplied content from Magix as it nearly has always ended up in a situation similar to your own.

You could contact YouTube with your copy of your licence and see if you could remove it but personally I would contact Magix first.

Ray.

I appreciate that. I came to the forums largely because I couldn't find a contact method for Magix (after, admittedly, not an exhaustive search) and I am hugely pleased that you had an email address to offer me. I will absolutely reach out to them, thanks.

@Carolly Yeah, contact Magix directly. Use the infoservice@magix.net address, like mentioned before.

Usually, the problem is the broken automated copyright system at YouTube. To my knowledge Magix and its subsidiaries don't claim music themselves. So, you need to dispute the claim at YouTube

@Carolly 

Thanks, yep it's not 100% clear 🤷‍♂️,

I read this doc which sort of implies that monetisation is allowed 🤷‍♂️ - https://producerplanet.com/us/licenses/ (The infoservice@magix.net link is near the bottom of the list in that link)

A few examples of where a commercial license is required include:

The sale or streaming of songs that have been produced using a Soundpool

Videos that have been integrated into a website that generates revenue through the sale of goods or services

Embedding content in an "advertising-financed environment" such as when videos are uploaded to YouTube, SoundCloud or similar online platforms that are financed by advertising.

Best of luck with your enquiries.

@Gid Thanks! Subscribed to your channel too, looks like you do some interesting stuff!

@Carolly 😁 Thanks, I film my work & upload it when the work gets done, I do it to share my experience rather than be a vlogger if that makes sense. I've been poorly so because I only post my work I haven't had a lot to upload but there'll be more to come in the future. 👍

There's a few things about other's videos that annoy me a little, pointless intros & advertising or irrelevant chatter by the creator. For my type of video, woodworking, I don't want to listen to someone rambling on about 'stuff' & I don't want to be looking at him stood in front of the camera when I clicked on the video to see woodworking being done. (10min video = 30secs intro, 2-3mins of chat, 3-4 mins of work being done then some advertising of the supporting brand or just more irrelevant chat at the end 😒)

I make my videos roughly 20mins long, I struggle to fit all the content I want to into that time, there's no room for pointless chatter etc. They are no BS eyes on the job start to finish, no effects because educational videos need to be true to life. Also my shed is a working shed, it's full of dust & crap, I've been a joiner 40yrs so not an amateur in his sparkling garage trying to teach what they themselves prob learnt of YT.

I'm also slowly becoming a grumpy old B*stad 😁

@Carolly

Hi.

There should also be a way to contact Magix through your account where you registered your copy of Magix Movie Studio and in the Support section above.

There is also this Magix webpage that explains use of audio for commercial use.

Ray.

@Gid Believe me, I get it; my own channel is based on sustainable agriculture/horticulture and right now I'm doing a series of videos on my new worm composter. And I, too, am becoming a grumpy old... well, something, haha!

@Carolly 😂👍 Can you share you YT link? If you want you can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & put this info in your Signature, it will then show at the bottom of your comments,👍

@Carolly 😂👍 Can you share you YT link? If you want you can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & put this info in your Signature, it will then show at the bottom of your comments,👍

 

Not the worst idea, but I don't know if I'll be posting here a whole lot! I'll definitely think about putting it in my signature once I've got more than a couple of videos.

In the meantime: https://youtube.com/@solarpunkhomesteader

Now, if I were Gid, Master of Joinery, I'd have built the bins myself, but alas.

@johnebaker Thank you, that is exactly what I needed to know!

For the record, I had to appeal one of their claims but I did get them to cut it the eff out once I made it clear I'm perfectly willing to assert my legal rights.