When adding speed keyframe, audio waveform disappears

Joe_Klein wrote on 1/24/2016, 7:06 PM

I am using the MEP2016 trial version, me being a long time Pinnacle Studio v1-v15 user.

I have the video's audio waveform set to be on a separate track, as this is the only way I could figure out how to make the waveform taller.

Anyway, I am using the waveform to find key points in the timeline.  I want to add some keyframes for speed control.

With the video object selected (yellow on the timeline), as soon as I add my first speed keyframe, the waveform of the audio track disappears.  Since I need the waveform to find specific points in the timeline to add my keyframes, this is very inconvenient.  Why is the audio waveform disappearing?

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Joe_Klein wrote on 1/28/2016, 7:27 PM

Still having trouble.

  1. New project 1920x1080.
  2. Drag an 8 second iPhone 240 FPS video to the timeline.
  3. Keeping audio and video track as one.
  4. Trim off 2 seconds at beginning. Audio still good.
  5. Apply 90 degree rotation to entire clip.  Audio still good.
  6. Go to speed effect, and add first keyframe to beginning of timeline, but don't change the speed.
  7. Audio track waveform disappears.  When I play the clip, it still has audio, but cuts out part way through.
  8. When I undo my last action (adding keyframe), waveform appears, but is shown to be cut off part way through.
  9. No matter how many undo actions, the audio never returns to original.
  10. I have repeated this many times, so don't know what I am doing wrong or if this is a bug.

Any feedback or suggestions?

johnebaker wrote on 1/29/2016, 3:36 AM

Hi

What version is MEP 2016 trial at - see under Help, About ?

What is your computer specification and Windows version - please be specific?

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

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Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Joe_Klein wrote on 1/29/2016, 7:31 PM

Hi John.

Movie Edit Pro 2016 Plus, Version 15.0.0.73.

Computer: Dell Opitplex 9010 tower, Win 7 Pro 64-bit, i7-3770 @3.4Ghz, 8GB RAM, 1 TB Crucial M550 SSD as C: drive.

My goal with this particular project was to start off at regular speed, slow down a portion in the middle, then finish back at regular speed as the clip ends.  It worked perfectly using keyframes, except for the sound.  I was wanting the sound to follow along and slow down during the slow video portion, then catch back up at the end at regular speed because there was some dialog at the end that I needed at regular speed along with the video.

What I ended up having to do was to cut the portion to be slowed into its own clip, then apply the speed effects.  The regular speed beginning and ending clips placed at the beginning and end, respectively.  It worked, but it should have been doable within the same clip.

Thanks,

Joe Klein 

johnebaker wrote on 1/30/2016, 8:25 AM

Hi

. . . . I was wanting the sound to follow along and slow down during the slow video portion, then catch back up at the end at regular speed . . . .

Using Keyframes this is achievable without having to cut the video providing you are aware of a limitation:-

If you slow the video down to a speed less than 1/4 normal then a message should pop up indicating that the audio should be detached.

 

I suspect you may have clicked the Do not show again and removed the audio the first time this message appears, then the same action will be repeated every time you use the speed effect and set a value less than 0.25 or greater than 4.

You can reset the dialog hints in the programs settings System tab, Reactivate dialogs option.

HTH

John EB

 

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Joe_Klein wrote on 1/30/2016, 4:29 PM

Hi John,

I still had the dialog hints enabled.

I just tried it again with a new project and same result.  As soon as I add the 1st keyframe at the beginning of clip, the audio waveform disappears.  I didn't even change the speed setting yet, just added the keyframe.

But then I tried not trimming the clip first, like I had been in my other attempts.  So when I don't trim the clip first, the audio still disappears when I add the first keyframe, but the audio no longer cuts out part way through the clip like it did on all my other attempts (which involved trimming a second or two off of the front of the clip.  After I had the keyframes and speed set how I wanted, I was then able to trim off the front of the clip, and it didn't affect the remaining part.  Weird, but at least I know how to do it now.

John, I'm curious if you exhibit the same behavior.

Thanks again for your time and replies.

Joe Klein

browj2 wrote on 1/30/2016, 5:17 PM

Hi,

@John EB,

Was there not some problem with kf's on Speed initially in MEP2016, or was it VPX7? I looked for the thread but couldn't find it, but I recall that there was a bug somewhere.

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johnebaker wrote on 1/31/2016, 6:29 AM

Hi

@John CB

 . . . . Was there not some problem with kf's on Speed initially in MEP2016 . . . .

There was an issue, raised by a member, with keyframes and the speed effect however it was with MEP 2015 .

I have checked the patches fix details for MEP 2016 and can find no reference to an issue with the speed effect and keyframes.

HTH

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

johnebaker wrote on 1/31/2016, 6:46 AM

Hi

. . . . But then I tried not trimming the clip first, like I had been in my other attempts.  So when I don't trim the clip first, the audio still disappears when I add the first keyframe, . . . .

I get something similar happening using your method, however it is not the audio that disappears just the graphical representation of the audio waveform which as you are using this to locate specific points in the video is a problem.

Previous versions of MEP - 2013, 2014, 15 and 2016 show the same effect ie turn off the audio waveform display which I think is logical.

The cutting off of the audio as Joe has found may be related to trimming the clip first and the video format used, however I cannot reproduce this using mp4 or mt2s files.

HTH

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Joe_Klein wrote on 1/31/2016, 11:28 AM

Thanks guys for the ideas.  I think maybe the combination of things, plus me using iPhone6 footage at 240 fps, caused my issue.  But I found a way around it, so I will continue to use and evaluate the trial.

Desperately looking for a Pinnacle Studio v15 replacement.

 

-Joe Klein