Vegas Pro 22 now has a public beta as an update for Vegas Pro 22. So the public, who think that the beta testers do nothing, get an opportunity to contribute to the improvement of Vegas Pro and the next update.

While that article says that Vegas Pro is the main product, that should not mean that VPX is to be neglected. And it shows in the website, where the stripped down consumer version shows more of what it can do. Makes me wonder if VPX is a "lost cause" product that I would hate to see disappear. But I do not know the sales numbers for VPX vs MMS. There is a huge price difference if buying new between the two products. Maybe offer VPX at a lower price and is marketed as a more "professional" update for MMS? And please, PLEASE offer better OFX implementation. Plugins such as NBFX won't load all of their TotalFX, and Boris FX Continuum is painful to even use.

Magix "trimmed" down their employees by almost a 3rd already.

My post was more of a frustration post about the lack of apparent concern for VPX. Porting over the Vegas AI is a start, but is not all there is to the product.

PLEASE offer better OFX implementation

I once spoke to Boris about MMS, they were surprised that their plugins even showed up in that program, they went on to say that the base program itself isn't set up to work with their stuff & what I was particularly asking about didn't work because MMS 'doesn't see other tracks'.

I've argued this on here about compositing, (compositing I know is the act of applying something onto something else) but in 'some' programs how things composite can depend on the event/object/or what is on the track below. In MMS it's a basic fx solely applied to that one event, it doesn't read the other tracks or events & forgive the term 'the tracks are upside down',. It's been quite a while since that conversation so I don't remember everything & I'm sure there is a much deeper more intricate explanation but I got the impression that basically the only way MMS would work with their plugins would be to rewrite MMS.

PS, because of this I get the feeling that is why there has been limited change or improvement in MMS over the yrs, it's a dead end rd. It does what it does but that's about it.

Look at the updates they put out every few mths, one or two decent programmers could do that work, those half dozen repairs in the amount of time between releases..

There was a discussion about OFX implementation in both MMS and VPX, with the blame on BorisFX. So I asked on the Boris forum about this and received an answer from their Senior Product Manager making it clear that it was a Magix issue. Even with Vegas, there are still some limitations as to what the Boris plugins can do compared to AE/Premiere/Avid. I forget what they are, but for me, they weren't important for what I do.

Maybe it is a problem with the base programming. It needs to be redone, but right now, it is easier to add "modules" such as the AI from Vegas to it. I do know about Pinnacle Studio and its programming where it was recompiled to "simulate" 64bit while the coding was still 32bit, which was more than fine when Avid Studio was released. Then they added "modules" to it add more creativity, such as their wonderful Multicam Editor, which created ProRes proxies for editing multiple tracks butter smooth.

Maybe it is the way the software track implementation is an issue as to how it "looks" at overlays. None of the software that Boris supports edits this way, but still there can be overlays within VPX/MMS albeit a little less complex.

Still, a website is a place that people will look before considering a product. First impressions are extremely important in this crowded NLE world. You have to put your best foot forward and highlight what the software can do, and they haven't done that. And it has been at least 2 years.

Even with Vegas, there are still some limitations as to what the Boris plugins can do compared to AE/Premiere/Avid

I had AE for a while, on the tracks there's a 'pick wick' system where tracks can be linked.

These videos are about Widgets Expression, don't try to understand them because without knowing what's happening it's just fast confusing 'stuff' but there is more than one thing like these that some other software's don't have.

BCC has a separate Beat Reactor fx, this doesn't show in VP, in AE any of the audio tracks can be selected & the Beat Reactor fx affects other fxs, I can't remember the details but this complicated pic shows the intricacy possible.

Beat reactor in VP has 3 sample options A, B & C.

In AE there's a bit more choice, It's things like this that differ with AE - Boris - VP & why I don't think MMS will ever get improvements of any significance reg OFX.,

These are some reasons why, to the unintentional annoyance of forum members, I refer to MMS as basic. The + side to MMS/VPX & VP are they are still perpetual licences but remember MMS can't event export a png with transparency.

There are things that should be done with VPX/MMS. I do think that those who would purchase MMS are those getting their feet "wet" in video editing. They don't want to spend much, but want some "neat" features that they can't get on their cellphone and want to get away from that data mining CapCut type videos. The price for new is low enough and the upgrade pricing is inexpensive.

My thoughts are really on VPX, which has seen nothing done to promote is. At least have a website the is engaging with what it can do. They don't even have a demo video, just a video with some clips put together. And it is supposed to be their flagship editing software. Click on this LINK for the Vegas website, and this LINK for VPX website. Heck, even this LINK for MMS. The first thing you see is a video showing features.

This has been the case for almost a couple of years now. Sad.

I do like all the templates, etc., that is out there for AE. Zillions for sure. Even Resolve has a bunch. Vegas, not so much. And Magix... well, you know that answer.

Yeah it's hard to fathom. There's overheads that cost money but I do wonder sometimes how many copies they sell, how much they make & how much is put back into it.

Naively I say the software is written so it exists, next to no expense there, the website is up n running, that's minimal cost, as I wrote there's someone doing a few bug repairs & occasionally adding a dated AI fx.

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The VPX that includes NewBlue - I'm curious about the extras included -

Roberto-Goncalves posted about NewBlue Infinite Looks, in a later post he shared this photo,

That is how my old NB packages used to look, I remember this changing, can't remember when but my newer Total FX7 now open like this, so I'm wondering have Magix acquired some dated NB fxs to add into their suite option? What I'm implying is they haven't exactly splashed out on these NB fxs, they're almost hand-me-downs.

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Saying that I did get Total FX7 with MMS, I even paid for the same upgrade twice to get it, I paid again a mth or two after the first time i paid 😂

I too was puzzled by that screenshot of NBFX posted by Roberto-Goncalves. It looks like the old 32bit version that I had in Videostudio Pro and some versions in the older Pinnacle Studio. I did not see that with the TotalFX that I too got when I bought MMS. Makes me wonder if the older 32bit version works better than the current GPU accelerated 64bit versions now.

I do wonder exactly what is included. They do list something like "Essentials 5" version, which would be the current version. Confusing.

"AI" is a catch word today. A selling point. The Vegas Deep Learning Models are quite large now. Over 3GB for the download. I wonder what they are actually "learning" and how it works. And while I don't use any of it (having Boris FX for most of my effects usage), it does offer some compelling tools. I shoot a lot of landscape outdoor vacations. Dehaze does work quite well in some instances. It's called "AI Fog Removal" on the webpage. But I use Boris BCC+Haze. Style Transfer is different. Colorization does work, so if you wanted to bring some life to an old B&W video you have, you can.

It's like Boris FX Continuum. Tons of plugins, but most I do not use at the moment.

There was chatter when we were discussing that VPX/MMS should give the option of reversing the way the timeline works to maybe attract more users. The cost of doing this, or even if it is considered, who knows. I do have a friend who loves VPX16. He came from Pinnacle Studio and has tried Vegas Pro.

I don't know, on the website for TotalFX it says Essentials 5 volume 1, 2 & 3 but mine says version 6

Makes me wonder if the older 32bit version works better than the current GPU accelerated 64bit versions now.

The post I got his picture from he's having problems with what John EB suggested was a 'caused by a mismatch in resolution of the preview and the preview monitor size' but I tried everything to try to recreate the problem to no avail, I put it down to my PC's power or whatever, but that I have a different version of NB might be a factor. 🤷‍♂️

Yep, I wrote on one of those NB posts 'with TotalFX7, Boris - Sapphire, Continuum etc. + the Vegas fxs gives me 800+ filters.. more than I need 👍'

I understand VP has a learning curve, 5yrs now I'm still learning but I honestly can't go back to MMS, there's so many things I'm used to doing in VP that I can't in MMS, one of the simplest is clicking anywhere to position the cursor, zooming in n out with the mouse wheel & reordering the tracks with all it's contents by dragging the header up or down. There's many more things on top of that.

I'm seeing the same thing. All the NBFX TotalFX360 have "6". I have the update for this year with the revision number 7.10.250207. I was having issues with TP7 not working with AMD GPU. It's all good now along with Captivate. I would not think they would downgrade that much, but you never know.

I also wonder if the NBFX plugins are OFX plugins that will also work with Vegas. Not that I need any of the, but if they do, I would let a Vegas friend know. I also agree with you, I have more than enough filters and effects that if I didn't get another package, I am quite content. For me, plugins are invaluable and are critical part of editing software. So Magix needs to get OFX working, at least in their premium editing software.

Yes, Vegas has a learning curve, and I am still learning after 7+ years. MMS has a purpose in the video editing world. It is an option to Powerdirector and Adobe's Premiere Elements. VPX is in a tougher spot. Resolve Free and Vegas Pro. Cursor positioning in Vegas is the best. Resolve people have asked for that. But I adjust to the software I am using. Each brings something slightly different. VPX just has t o do more to keep up. Maybe after the work on Vegas something will happen with VPX besides porting over Vegas AI. I really hope so.

@Gid, @Reyfox

Hi Gid, Tony

This topic has forked into Roberto's topic 'newblue display is faulty in timeline monitor' and is splitting responses, can we keep this topic as the general discussion on the Magix website please.

John EB

@johnebaker Hi, I've just been through all NB fxs (114 that i counted in the other post), none of them have the old style interface, all load like this.

@Reyfox @Gid

What I find interesting is Magix's own statement on their news pages.

See any glaring omissions?

Ray.

Yes. VPX isn't included.

MMS is extremely reasonably priced, even for new buyers. Resolve isn't something for new people who have no idea about video editing and the learning curve/hardware is not for most people starting out editing, coming from cellphones. Even Photostory works for someone wanting to do something quick and easy without flashy effects.

It's just a head scratcher for me. The website is there, make use of it to prompt the product. I don't think that is asking too much. Oh, and lower the price too. Right now, if someone were buying new or upgrade, Vegas is only $10 more. Now go to the prospective websites and see the difference. Which do you think first time buyers would buy. And if they aren't really going to pursue development of VPX seriously, at least work on MMS.

"AI" is a catch word today. ......... Style Transfer is different. Colorization does work, 

Random comment -

MMS AI Style transfer - two boxes.

VP AI Style transfer, two boxes + a High res box

_ Custom Reference that uses the clipboard/preview

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AI Dehaze options missing.

So for these two either they've removed bits or those bits just don't show.

I would not expect MMS or even the lamented VPX to have the same control options as Vegas. There would be nothing that would be different between the software.

I've not used Style Transfer, but I can see it's use for titles, background video for me. I've tried the Vegas Dehaze, and while it is certainly good, Boris DeHaze is faster, easier, and produces most of the time, a better result.

And this is where Magix has dropped the much repeated ball.... OFX support. IIRC, even Vegas Movie Studio could use OFX. I would not really expect MMS to handle it. Plugins can cost more, and usually do, the entire cost of the MMS software. People starting out aren't looking to spend more initially.

After @CubeAce screenshot, there certainly is a case that this might be the end of VPX.... I hope not.

@Reyfox

Hi Tony

. . . . Magix has dropped the much repeated ball.... OFX support. . . .

OFX support was added to MEP 2017 (released 2016) and the first mention I can find of it is in VPX 11 where it mentions a redesigned interface for OFX plugins, it was probably added in VPX 9 which, IIRC, was released the same time as MMS 2017.

Added:- If you have Boris FX Continuum, or just the BCC Chroma Key Studio, they are in the OFX plugin format.

John EB

@johnebaker

Greetings John,

I have Continuum Complete 2025 and FX Browser is not supported nor Mocha, and these are integral to the use of the software. Other features, such as Compare Mode are also not properly implemented.

The images below are from something with a small library of effects, BCC+Orbs. Film Stock has hundreds of thumbnails so you can visualize how the various effects would look.

Without FX Browser, you would not be able to view any pre-made templates. While Boris does appear, it is not fully implemented as an OFX plugin with Magix. The same results in VPX14. To me, and I hate beating a dead horse, OFX needs to be fully implemented, not partially. That is why some of the NBFX plugins don't work in Magix (they've now excluded them in Magix plugin packages), but are there and fully working within Vegas or Resolve. VPX definitely should have full implementation being a higher end editing software.

I am not advocating that someone buy MMS and then Boris, but this is the state of Magix OFX implementation. I asked in the Boris forum mentioning that it does appear, and some functions work, so they go back to me and mentioned the issue lies with Magix and its implementation.

Again, I want Magix to succeed and flourish, and to me (along with bug fixes) this would be a great way to so some commitment to the survival and future of the products.

MMS2024 view clicking on FX Browser. It does not appear.

Vegas Pro (or Davinci Resolve) FX Browser when clicked on.

MMS2024 with Mocha Mask within BCC+Orbs

Vegas Pro with Mocha Mask

@Reyfox

Hi Tony

. . . . I have Continuum Complete 2025 and FX Browser is not supported nor Mocha . . . .

Interesting, using MMS 2025, I only have the Magix BCC Chroma Key installed, with it running in trial mode the FX browser button is present and when clicked opens the FX Browser in a separate window, there is no image though.

When activated, there is no FX Browser option.

I get where you are coming from, as the implementation of the options/parameters that are available for an OFX plugin are at the discretion of the host program.

John EB

I get where you are coming from, as the implementation of the options/parameters that are available for an OFX plugin are at the discretion of the host program.

John EB

Yes, at the discretion of the host program. I was told this by the Senior Project Manager of Boris FX. This is where I would love it to change to actually working as it should.

Maybe not fully implemented in MMS, but VPX for sure.

@Reyfox @Gid

What I find interesting is Magix's own statement on their news pages.

See any glaring omissions?

Ray.

 

I'm not sure if I would read too much into these comments. Probably another error on the part of Marketing. While VPX is not mentioned, Magix's key video editor, Vegas Pro, which they poured all of their resources into, is missing too! Also, if you read the posts and comments on the Audio Forum, Acid Pro; is essentially dead and not being developed.

@Can-Dive

Magix's key video editor, Vegas Pro, which they poured all of their resources into, is missing too!

Hmmm, no it's not.

@Can-Dive Yeah, apart from this sentence in the middle Vegas Pro isn't mentioned.