Hey Ray,

sure, but i don't know where to find them?

Do i find those in MEP? Or in my Windows 10?

Thanks :-)

Kate

@kate-m

In the program Kate.

File / Program settings /Device options.

Ray.

@kate-m

Hi

Is this the same computer as your previous topics ie:

MAGIX Movie Edit Pro Premium\2021

Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120

or have you updated to Movie Edit Pro 2022.

The screenshot @CubeAce asked for is in Movie Edit Pro (MEP).

If you still using MEP 2021, then the required screenshot is in File, Program settings, Display options tab.

If you have upgraded to MEP 2022 then the required screenshot is the Device options tab.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

Hey Ray, John EB,

when i go to File i can select Settings, and there i can choose (among others) Program.

I'd like to make a screenshot of it, but it seems it's only possible to make a screenshot of our conversation here, but not of the Program Settings.

Under "Display options" there are check marks in "Allow stereo editing" and "Allow interlacing"

and "Video mode" has "Standard mode (Direct3D, hardware acceleration)" and "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710" (which is my new graphics card)

Does this info help you? Or how could i make a screen grab of it?

Thanks :-)

Kate

@kate-m

Hi Kate.

Yes that helps.

Unfortunately that graphics card is not new enough to be used well in MEP. It is several generations behind current offerings and nvidia has stopped producing driver updates for it. It may not function as it should. I don't think the card supports NVENC for encoding but I could be wrong. @johnebaker knows more about that.

If you have the settings set for that card in all the boxes (Import / Processing / Export) and it is giving the performance you describe then I'm afraid that is the most probable cause.

You can try activating the use of proxy files and see if that helps or reduce the resolution of the playback or reduce the size of the playback monitor.

If none of that works I would sell your current card and look for a newer one. Preferably an nvidia 1060 or the cheaper 1650 Super. In the mean time if it doesn't work try using the Microsoft WARP option.

Ray

@kate-m, @CubeAce

Hi

As you have the Display options tab then I assume you are still using MEP 2021.

The GeForce GT 710 which cannot be used at all by MEP 2021 as MEP 2021 does not support the older CUDA decoding/encoding. for completeness, MEP 2022, also cannot use the GT 710 as the graphics card does not support NVENC according to the Nvidia NVENC decoding/encoding matrix, though some info suggest it does, however with very limited capability.

This means the processor is doing all the work if you are still using the Intel i3-2120 which having 2 cores is most likely being overloaded so playback is as you described.

Using proxy files is a possible solution, however the creation of these may take some time.

Ray has suggested getting a GTX 1060 or better, however these may not be supported by the computers motherboard.

John EB

@kate-m @johnebaker

I'm afraid John is correct.

I forgot that processor and motherboard is probably stuck at PCI Express* 2.0. That will not accept those graphics cards.

Sorry.

Ray.

Hey Ray, John,

before i installed my new graphics card, i had a much older one on board my computer, and MEP worked. Maybe there is a way to activate this newer graphic card?

Any ideas?

Thanks :-)

Kate

my program settings has several headers: Playback, Folder, Video/Audio, System, Import/Export , but only Display options shows my graphic card

@kate-m

my program settings has several headers: Playback, Folder, Video/Audio, System, Import/Export , but only Display options shows my graphic card

That is correct.

It could be that if the old graphics card was not recognised by the program at all and that you were purely using the CPU. You never mentioned before having another GPU. Any idea what it was?

before i installed my new graphics card, i had a much older one on board my computer, and MEP worked. Maybe there is a way to activate this newer graphic card?

If it is showing in the Import / Processing / Export boxes of the program settings it is in use. Just not able to work effectively.

Ray.

Hey Ray,

i just looked for the Import / Processing / Export boxes of the MEP program settings, but i'm not sure what you mean. I wish i could send you a screen shot of my program settings, but it seems impossible to take one. Do you mean the headers: Playback, Folder, Video/Audio, System, Display options, Import/Export?

In the Import/Export of the Program settings i unfortunately cannot find my graphics card. It has two boxes checked which read "Hardware acceleration for playback if possible" and "Hardware encoding during export where possible", and under "Other" a box is checked reading "Automatically preview exported clips" , and then there is a scroll down box entitled: "Import Formats" with lots of import stuff inside, but not with my graphics card.

Maybe i am looking in the wrong places?

And which headers do you mean by Processing?

As to the old graphics card, i gave it to my friend who recommended me to buy the "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710". I will ask him what it was called and let you know.

Thanks :-)

Kate

@kate-m

Hi Kate.

I forgot you are on MEP 2021 not MEP 2022. Yes that would be the "Hardware acceleration for playback if possible" and "Hardware encoding during export where possible", and even with that version of MEP it can't take advantage of that graphics card. It is too old and does not have the correct internal structures to work with the versions of MEP using the Infusion Engine, nor does it have the latest driver support needed to work well within Windows 10.

The current prices of graphics cards are artificially high due to the lack of the required chips needed for production and it may remain that way for the next year or two. Certainly nvidia and AMD seem in no hurry to start making the lower priced reasonably specified cards again for some time. Your card is even older than the one I had to upgrade to get MEP 2019 to work. That was the nvidia GTX 1030.

But as John has pointed out you can't use a newer graphics card as your motherboard is too old to support one so your friend probably recommended the highest performing card you could use in your system. He was probably not wrong. He just didn't know the requirements of the program. The website still in my opinion does not make that absolutely clear.

Your processor came out when Win 98 64 bit and Win 7 was around. Although it can cope with Win 10, it can't cope with the additional capabilities it offers with certain programs including most video editors. I think personally all video editors but can't be certain because I haven't tried them all.

I'm afraid there is no feasible upgrade path for that system to improve its performance.

Sorry.

Ray.

Hey Ray,

my old graphics card is still on board (i thought we had removed it) but the hdmi plug is broken, which is why i got the newer graphics card. I will think about getting a new computer (the project i am working on at the moment needs to be done soon, so the best thing right now would be to figure out if MEP can run on my CPU for now)?

Thanks :-)

Kate

@kate-m

Hi

To take a screen shot ensure the required tab/setting etc is visible and press the PrtScn or Print Screen button on the keyboard, this saves the image to the 'Clipboard'

Open your favourite image editor, if you don't have one and are not familiar with image editing :use the Paint app in Windows.

1. Paste the image into the image editor, in Paint the icon is top left of the File tab, see image below which also shows the Import Export tab in MEP.
   
    
2. It is best to crop the image using the Select and Crop tool to get rid of unnecessary parts of the image - using the Select tool drag a box around the part of the image required and click the Crop button.
   
    
3. Save the image as a JPG file.
4. Upload the jpg file in a comment using the Media upload button .

If you need advice on a new computer there are a couple of topics in the forum which may help.

HTH

John EB

@kate-m

Hi Kate.

The best bet would be to disable the card by not ticking the "Hardware acceleration for playback if possible" and "Hardware encoding during export where possible" boxes and rely on the CPU alone.

That may still present problems. For one, the playback may well be jerky although that should not effect the export but will make editing a chore even if you use proxy files.

The export though may take more than a few hours. It was taking my old system up to eighteen hours just to export ten minutes of HD resolution video (dependent on the effects used etc.) Worse, because of the time needed and the CPU running almost constantly at full output, the heat build up gets close to and could exceed the maximum operating temperature of the GPU either causing the machine to shut down or the program to crash or in theory destroy the CPU unless the standard CPU cooler is replaced by a much larger and more capable one. I had to constantly monitor my CPU temperature and often pause the export until it had cooled down. (sometimes every ten minutes) That can get very tiresome and in the end before I bought enough components to basically build a new machine I bought a replacement CPU cooler for the old system as they are relatively cheap at around £30. That meant I could leave the machine on its own until it had finished.

Ray.

Hey John,

thanks so much.

i'll try it as soon as i can.

have a lovely day :-)

Kate

Hey Ray,

you saved my day!

I'm happily editing away on my CPU. And will export a short video soon, to see if that works out. Luckily for this current project my videos will only be a few minutes long. So i hope exporting with my CPU will work out. For my green screen project of the summer i will continue next year, and then i will probably need a new computer / camera (we'll see), because those films will probably be at least 30 minutes long.

have a great day :-)

Kate

Hey Ray,

exporting my short video was successful :-D :-D :-D !!!

(jump for joy :-D !!!)

Thanks a million for your help!

Kate

@kate-m

Hi Kate.

Glad to help. Keep an eye on the CPU temperature if you can.

Ray.

I have never had a system crash because of a CPU overheat. I thought Intel CPUs throttle themselves when they get hot so they don't crash (or "destroy" themselves). Before I changed to a liquid cooler, my i5 would run for hours at 95° during encoding. It is now 10 years old and still going like it was new. My system is similar to Kate's: no effective GPU at all. It's using my CPU only.

I'd certainly suggest the use of Proxy files: as JohnEB points out, they take a while to create (MEP creates an MXV of each of your original files and uses those MXVs for editing) but will make editing much smoother.

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn.

My old processor often got to 98°c during long exports and would have kept climbing. Anything above 85°c will have some detrimental effect on a processor over time. I always try to keep my operating temperatures below 56°c and they rarely go above 64°c.

Motherboards that had separate thermostatic probes often failed if temps got too high. Mine would reboot, crashing the program. Different processors have had different thermal ratings over the years.

Ray.

I suggest we not worry about CPU overheats until symptoms that indicate that it may be happening appear, especially since Kate appears to have previously been using MEP successfully with the old graphics card (which probably wasn't doing anything).

The spec sheet on Kate's processor says this:

Thermal Monitoring Technologies

Thermal Monitoring Technologies protect the processor package and the system from thermal failure through several thermal management features. An on-die Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) detects the core's temperature, and the thermal management features reduce package power consumption and thereby temperature when required in order to remain within normal operating limits.

Interesting reading here:

https://www.intel.com.au/content/www/au/en/support/articles/000005597/processors.html