VHS capture quality is very poor

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AAProds wrote on 7/15/2022, 1:47 AM

@CubeAce

Ray,

Do not use any isopropyl alcohol as it is not pure enough. Normally isopropyl alcohol pure enough for tape head cleaning of film cleaning is at least 99.9% pure and you get it in 250ml and upwards bottles or cans.

So yes, use IPA at 100%. Easy to buy from your hardware shop.

There are a few synthetic sponge and felt swabs that could be used as well as micro-fiber lint free cloths.

No, not recommended for video heads. Even chamois is not recommended any more. Have you seen a video head?

 

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CubeAce wrote on 7/15/2022, 2:18 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al.

In the UK isopropyl alcohol is never sold as 100% proof as unless the container is glass, (as used to be sold to the film industry) some container material can leach into the fluid over time.

When I had to work with isopropyl alcohol I used to get a pint of milk to drink at the end of the day as those were the union rules. Nasty stuff to be around all day.

Yes. In the past I have stripped down VCRs. I never saw damage then after cleaning but people get nervous as equipment gets harder to obtain. I used to have to clean my parents VCR now and then so my dad could watch Eddy Murphy films 😉.

I remember doing a course at a London college (Morely,South London) where they had Revox machines where they had added additional connector blocks to attach leads to so the phono inputs and outputs would not get damaged.🤣🤣🤣 I still have a good working order A77 high speed half track briefcase machine along with a service manual I constantly lugged around the UK plugging into countless systems. I have had tape heads and guides replaced as well as caps and some variable resistors. Capstan motor and outer rotor motors as good as new although it seldom gets used now. All 400 + 10" reels of audio has been digitized for some time now from various studio sessions.

I also have two VHS machines sitting in the garage (nothing special, possibly one Panasonic and one Ferguson) I haven't touched since we had cable TV and inboard recording from the service providers own set-top boxes. I don't think I would dare plug one in now without first giving it a good once over but apart from two analog TVs also sitting in the garage I have nothing to plug them into that is compatible with my current system. I do have an old inboard TV card somewhere (nvidia I think) but it was on my Win 98 PC.

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 7/15/2022, 2:38 AM

@cmclernon

Hi

In the import dialog switch the dialog to Advanced view, it should look something like the image below and under the indicated dropdown (IIRC) there is the option to record as MXV.

John EB

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cmclernon wrote on 7/15/2022, 10:21 AM

Here's the link to the Video Saver manual as requested:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Nn63UJaYcRVGziFKPwcbTN-AVJoSmPZt/view?usp=sharing

AAProds wrote on 7/15/2022, 11:06 PM

@cmclernon

Thanks. I would proceed as JohnEB has suggested; you want absolutely the highest quality you can get, and MXV should give that to you. After you have your MXV, then you can export it to MPEG-4 as full HD.

It is a pity that these manuals aren't updated; The notes on the "Save movie on computer" screen are nonsense. Full HD video is a doddle for any modern computer, so don't let that scare you from going for the highest quality you can get from VideoEasy. As you can see, VHS quality is bad enough as it is; it needs everything going for it when exporting.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

cmclernon wrote on 7/25/2022, 6:19 PM

I've just purchased a Panasonic ES15 DVD Recorder. After some initial difficulties getting a signal with RYVT it worked!: No wobbliness, banding or crosshatching. I could only get RYVT to capture in MXV by setting it for older or low performance computer, Strange as the quality of MXV is the highest.

AAProds wrote on 7/25/2022, 7:35 PM

@cmclernon

Great stuff. MXV is not such a bad option; I think I mentioned it seems to be a lossless-type of format which will give you better quality for editing than MPEG 2. The only downside with MXV is that it cannot be read by external programs, only Magix.

You may find your white areas are slightly overblown; the ES-15 sometimes does that as a byproduct of it's signal stabilisation. It can be corrected pretty well by adjusting the brightness and contrast settings of the capture stick. This is mentioned on page 21 of the manual under "Image Settings", Video Proc Amp. Let us know if you get stuck with that. The idea is to have nice bright whites but so you can still see details in amoungst the white. Similarly with back areas, you don't want totally blacked-out black if you know what I mean.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

cmclernon wrote on 7/28/2022, 8:41 AM

Another problem I have is with the audio: there's a humming in the background noticeable in quiet bits. How can I remove / reduce this interference?

CubeAce wrote on 7/28/2022, 10:28 AM

@cmclernon

Hi.

If you hear the hum on the original tape on playback it is on the recording and needs post processing. I don't now how good newer plugins are at removing hum but in the past trying to reduce hum nearly always also altered the audio spectrum and was noticeable as a shift in the overall tone of the result. Maybe another member has a suggestion.

If the hum is only on the transferred video then there is probably an earthing problem in the signal path.

It could be the leads are are not making proper contact or there is a gap in the internal shielding of the wiring or you may have an earth loop between two electronic components or poor shielding of the internal electronics. Normally though, such hums are not that quiet so I think it is probably on the recording. I didn't notice any hum on the samples you gave us though.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."