i currently run movie studio suite 2023 on my i5 processor laptop
i have now purchased movie studio suite 2024 upgrade
only issue i am buying new modern hardware (desktop pc) for movie studio suite 2024 suite
will it install as a standalone package on new hardware or will it be looking for movie studio suite 2023
to upgrade (its on old laptop/different hardware)
any advice appreciated
Brian
Hi Brian.
I thought I saw you publish a shortlist of components for a new build a while back but can't find them.
If you were thinking of an i5 (12th gen or newer) then that would demonstrably better than my i9900K which is still coping with basic 4K footage. If it was you I think you asked if moving up to an i7 would be better. Yes it would but if I do remember correctly you suggested a 3050 nvidia GPU. Personally I would spend any extra on getting the next card up, the 3060 (or higher if you can afford it) as the 3050 is not even as good as some of the earlier 20 series or even one of the 10 series as far as editing video goes.
The cost vs future proofing thing is always a difficult one to get right and if the operating system, software or drivers get a rewrite at any future date, all speculation and carefully thought out purchases could go out the window.
Had you quoted getting a 3060 and then asked if going up to an i7 then would be a good idea I would have said yes because the next real upgrade beyond the 3060 or its Ti version would be in my opinion the 4070Ti which is considerably more expensive but bang for buck still good by today's standards but would need to be partnered up with an i7. Of course new processors will be out by summer and they will be yet another tier above with probable costs to match.
Future proofing. Assuming operating systems do not dramatically change in the next four to five years due to any future changes to how the newer CPUs will be designed and bearing in mind cost vs performance.
12th or 13th gen i5 or i7. Nvidia 3060 with the need of a possible upgrade within that 5 years or the 4070Ti without and should just about be hanging on.
Good motherboard. The advantage of going with 12 gen or newer processors would be being able to take advantage of higher speed gen 4 DDR (or motherboard dependant) gen 5 DDR.
A lot of motherboards are better for gamers rather than creatives. This video will explain.
The is also a list of recommended builds at different price points but be aware those are to be used with Adobe and not Magix editors. The basics are possibly sound though.
Ray.
Ray,
here is spec of pc i was going to purchase
what u think ?
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This PC is ideally suited for higher-end 4K video editing work in applications like Adobe Premiere - a Ryzen 9 5900X 12 core processor and RTX 3070 graphics card is a good pairing for decent performance in larger projects and quick enough for smooth realtime preview with 4K footage.
Paired up with 32GB 3600Mhz RAM (expandable to 64GB) which is enough for most project sizes, there's additionally a fast 2TB NVMe SSD included with a motherboard connection available for an additional NVMe drive and room in the case to add additional 2.5" SSDs or hard disks if more storage is required.
The system is built in a black be quiet Pure Base 500 case with large Pure Wings 2 fans which are effective and quiet, a tinted glass window on the left allows a view of the components inside. A gold rated 650W power supply and large be quiet CPU cooler makes sure this system is stable and well-cooled during long sessions of high usage.
The processor is new enough to support Windows 11 so our suggestion is for that to be installed for best future-proofing, although you can have Windows 10 if preferred (cost is the same)
Case
Be Quiet! Pure Base 500 Gaming Case - Black, Glass Side
(1 rear and 1 front 140mm Fans included)
Power
Cooler Master 650W MWE Gold V2 PSU, 80+ Gold Power Supply
Motherboard
Gigabyte X570 Gaming X Motherboard (full size ATX)
Processor
Brand: AMD
Model: Ryzen 9 5900X Processor
Core Speed: 12 cores, 24 threads - 3.7 to 4.8Ghz
Passmark Score: 41095 Points
Be Quiet! BK021 Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler
Storage
SSD: ADATA S70 Blade 2TB NVMe (7000MB/s read speed)
Memory
Fitted: 32GB DDR4 RAM 3600Mhz Corsair
Size: 2 x 16GB DDR4 DIMMs (2 of 4 slots used)
Graphics
Gigabyte RTX 3070 8GB Graphics Card
23885 3D Score in Passmark
Supports HDMI, DisplayPort, Outputs.
Unigine Valley Benchmark - Score 9518, FPS 227.5 Average (Min 53.9 - Max 376)
Unigine Superposition Benchmark - Score 25108 FPS 187.8 Average (Min 153.6 - Max 254.3)
Display
Included: No
Optical
No DVD
Ports/Connections
HDMI: 2
DisplayPort: 2
USB 2.0: 2 (2 Rear)
USB 3.1: 6 (4 Rear, 2 Top)
(8 USB Ports Total)
Headphone: 2 (1 Rear / 1 Top)
Microphone: 2 (1 Rear / 1 Top)
LAN: 1 (Gigabit / 1000Mbps)
Wifi Included: No, can be added starting from £8
Keyboard and Mouse
Included: No
Software
Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64-bit OEM - new license and COA included
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I have movie-studio-suite-2024 for this new pc but unsure if it needs 2023 version on pc to upgrade
or will download just install stand alone
To answer your question, you can have two copies activated at any one time.
I doubt whether you would actually need 2023 installed first, on your new machine, before you upgrade to 2024. I suggest giving it a go, when activating, either your 2024 serial number (P3 number) will work or it won't. I think you'll be OK though.
Thanks AAprods, I agree
I will give it a go when pc arrives and if it fails to load
i will install 2023 then 2024 version
then shout for help on forum if stuck
Hi.
The only thing I would say about the build is with an AMD Processor you will not get the benefit of having an inboard GPU as well as the 3070. The two working together with resizeable bar enabled should in theory give you a lot more video encoding / decoding power with the Magix Infusion engine. Also when not doing power processing the intel processors actually have a lower power consumption for when you are doing more mundane tasks such as browsing the internet or watching online video. My video production often uses more than 32GB of ram but in this community I am probably a bit of a one off user compared to many. Mainly the memory gets used up when producing custom text with a third party application. The length of a project has little to do withe the amount of ram used but the use of third party effects can have a huge impact. My vram also gets maxed out from time to time.
That was just using a combination of effects in a four minute MP4 video at 4K. No bespoke 3D text involved.
But as I say, I may be unique in my usage of the programs on this forum.
I am using a gaming motherboard and wish I had more motherboard NVMe slots.
Ray.
Hi Brian
. . . . The only thing I would say about the build is with an AMD Processor you will not get the benefit of having an inboard GPU as well as the 3070 . . .
I am with Ray on this one.
For upgrading my PC later this year, I am looking at an Intel i7-14700K based system and increasing RAM from 16GB, which is acceptable for working with 4K UHD video, to 32 GB, mainly for another program I use.
John EB
cheers John
with an AMD Processor you will not get the benefit of having an inboard GPU
?? There are AMD processors with integrated graphics, Google - 'Ryzen 8000G review: An integrated GPU that can beat a graphics card, for a price '
Saying that how well they work I don't know because mine doesn't have integrated graphics & sometimes I wish I'd got an Intel CPU.
great timing guys
the pc i was going to get has been sold, shop only had one
i will get them to custom build a pc for me with the details from this thread
thanks for advice..appreciated
Brian
My thoughts on this. I use several different programs, in addition to light gaming. I look at the overall needs of the programs, and decide on the hardware to use. I also consider what upgrade paths in the future that I have. With AM4, the upgrade path from my old 1700X to a 5950X is just a BIOS upgrade for the motherboard. I would not have had to replace the motherboard to get a new CPU to work.
Also, while we can quibble on "how fast", I am quite content with my all AMD computer (Signature). The only thing I wish I had done in the beginning is get 64GB of RAM.
Oh,, and all the AMD 7000 series CPU's do come with an iGPU. Whether that accelerates anything, I do not know. It all comes down to what formats you are using and if your hardware decodes and encodes in those formats.
I was to late and the pre built systems were purchased by someone else
he said he can build me this system
whats do the great people on here with hardware knowledge thing of this spec
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Hi.
Certainly an interesting assembly of components if I'm reading what may be missing at the edges correctly.
I would say a brave choice and one that should work well. My only concerns are with using a 14th gen Intel processor, why DDR4 instead of DDR5? I will have to look at the motherboard specs and if it were me I would be looking at 2 x 32 gig sticks of ram but that could be just me and my personal needs. You could add two further 16 gig sticks later on or preferably swap them out for two 32 gig sticks if you find you need to later, as running four sticks normally brings the speed of the ram down slightly over just populating two ram slots.
OK there are four motherboard variants. two of which use DDR4 and two use DDR5. I assume the DDR4 boards are slightly cheaper. The other differences are LAN speeds.
So yes, it gets my approval at least but why did I say Brave choice?
Honesty time.
More than one of us here have considered using an Arc graphics card with the A770 at the top of that list. On paper, bang for buck it is right up there, especially for video creators on any type of budget.
But.
The drivers.
They are not 100% as good as the nvidia drivers at present (as far as I know) and may in some instances not necessarily video editing related, cause some troubles / glitches. That is not guaranteed and only what is reported on some parts of the internet. But. Intel does seem to be in it for the long haul. Their drivers are catching up really fast and already much more stable than even a couple of months ago.
From a purely selfish angle I would love to see the results of usage of such a system for use with either MMS. VPX or Vegas and I am equally sure I would not be alone in wanting to see the results. On paper they should be up there with the latest 4070 nvidia GPU and possibly above. But we don't know. At least I don't and I do try to keep up to date with news on Arc GPUs in general.
So yes....Brave.
I would say yes on the proviso that the builder agrees to swap out the graphics card for something else of equal value within say a three month trial period with your chosen software. The builder may not go for that but may be equally curious or have better knowledge of capabilities.
You can only ask and possibly make me regret getting an nvidia 3060 as that combination of GPUs is what Magix was a short time ago shouting about for raw performance.
[Edit] also make sure both GPUs are set up to work in the bios.
Ray.