Too heavy video clips for Magix?

RSuonio wrote on 10/29/2011, 1:31 PM

I am trying to make my first short movie.  The original video clips are taken with a Casio EX-FH20 camera.  The videos are HD, 1280x720 pixels.  The example clip is originally 7:37 minutes long and size is 1647 MB.

When I load it into Magix, it seems to be too big and heavy to play smoothly.  It takes long pauses and the picture jumps forward and backward.

I have tried several ways to pack my clip to make it play lighter.  As the last try I installed the fresh DivX codec, compressed the clip with VirtualDub and shrinked the pixel size to 720x406.  The size of the file is 53 MB.  Still Magix is not able to play it smoothly.

What should I do?

 

RSuonio

Magix Movie Edit Pro 11 v:6.0.1.3
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 @ 2.80 GHz
4 GB memory
Windows XP Home SP3

Comments

yvon-robert wrote on 10/29/2011, 3:11 PM

Hi,

Probably your computer has not enough power to play the video HD Magix offers a good way to play smooth using half definition or quarter definition.

From File Menu, Setting Program, click on tab video/Audio

Now on your left you have Movie display and under you can see 4 options to display and play on timeline.

Check half or quarter, click the OK button.

Now you can work, clean your computer or add memory.

Regards,

YR

 

 

RSuonio wrote on 10/29/2011, 5:41 PM

Thank you

Shrinked to the resolution 720x406 the video is not anymore HD.  And the file is now compressed into a fraction of the original, as I told.  I tried to select first quarter and then even low resolution, which gave an extremely blurry picture, but still it made long pauses and the picture was very jerky.

While for instance VLC-player can easily play the original, huge file with all the sharpness, I can't believe my PC would be too powerless.

Some tests have shown that the result file is well playable with VCL, although first trials with cross fading gave unacceptable result.  But the editing is almost impossible, if the playback won't work smoothly.

I have to do something wrong, but I don't know what.

Would there be somewhere a test video clip to download, which should work properly in Magix?

 

RSuonio

Magix Movie Edit Pro 11 v:6.0.1.3
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 @ 2.80 GHz
4 GB memory
Windows XP Home SP3

 

yvon-robert wrote on 10/30/2011, 12:27 AM

Hi,

First I work with video 7 day a week and edit at least 4 video a week. That you need to work with HD editing not to play video, editing is a completly different work than video player. To edit you need to read 25 or 30 pictures 1920 x 1080 pixels and 96 to 120 dpi. you need power.

The suggested computer:

1) Windows 7 64 bits.

2) i7 core

3) Nvidia graphic card with Cuda processor

4) Minimum 8 gig memory better 16 gig

5) Magix MEP 16 or 17 or last MX I use 17 Pro or Avid Studio 1

6) A good Sata Hard drive at least 500 meg min 300megs

 

High definition need power using magix you can made video working with less resolution but when you compile the project this take time.

If you place your video clip on timeline and you have difficulty to move the clip that is the proof you need power.

Regards,

YR

 

 

 

terrypin wrote on 10/30/2011, 9:55 AM

Hi,

 

Here's a paste of my reply to a similar question a few days ago.

You might try experimenting with the playback cache settings, which for me sometimes influence preview monitor performance significantly.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/MEP17-Playback-Cache.jpg

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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cpc000cpc wrote on 10/31/2011, 5:50 AM

RSuonio,

I'll add my two cents worth...

MEP 11 is quite old! -- newer versions (now up to 'MX' ~ v18) are much better at dealing with HD material.

Smooth playback is a function of several factors which usually work against each other. eg, a small, highly compressed, clip may play worse than a larger one (either file size or pixel dimensions) because of the processing power needed to de-code each frame. Further, many compressions are based on information across several frames so your computer has perhaps to read in four rather  than just one for each frame displayed.

I follow the advice from both Terry and YR, particularly previewing at half resolution, and have learned to live within the limits of my modest machine. I often preview by holding down the forward arrow key -- playback is slower than realtime and silent, but I can check my editing very accurately. I also regularly render small sections to final check complex transitions etc, BTW, the latest MEP MX has an option to render small sections within the timeline which make for very efficient work flow.

Regards,

Carl

RSuonio wrote on 11/1/2011, 8:37 AM

Thank you all

I know that MEP 11 is old, I bought it from a second hand market with 10 euros and it was bundled with PhotoStory on CD & DVD 5.  But that's what I have to deal with.

Good news is that I have solved the problem.  I reinstalled the program and now it works reasonably well.  I am now going on with my project (a music video for my grand child).  The program cannot load the original HD files straigth from the camera, but I compress them with DivX Codec and can even reduce the compression level so that I get good quality.  And they are still HD!

It is heavy yet.  Typically, when I open the program and the project, it will first time play it badly jerking but usually the second time it plays all right.  The cross overs from one clip to another are harder to get working, but the tip about forward arrow key seems to be good, thank you Carl.

For this project I try to get as good quality as possible, but later, I believe, I can be more modest and settle for standard TV resolution (720 pixels wide).

 

RSuonio

Magix Movie Edit Pro 11 v:6.0.1.3
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 @ 2.80 GHz
4 GB memory
Windows XP Home SP3

 

Scenestealer wrote on 11/1/2011, 2:09 PM

Hi

Another tip for previewing jerky transitions is to right click the right clip and select the "Edit trimmer". Click the transport control, in the trimmer window, to the far left (shaped like a floppy disc) and it will render the transition in RAM temporarily and give you smooth real time playback in the lefthand pane - albeit a little small.

Another trick is to import the HD material into an HD project with the 1280x720 movie settings and then change the File > Settings > Movie settings to SD 16x9 720x576 (480 if NTSC). Surprisingly the preview still shows in HD but the transitions show in SD thereby reducing the load on the processor. When you are happy with your movie edits, just change the movie settings back to the HD res. of the original footage and export.

Ss

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RSuonio wrote on 11/1/2011, 7:29 PM

Thank you, Scenestealer

In my program version the menu item was Object trimmer, but it worked just like you said.

I also changed the movie settings, but I am not sure if that made any difference.  Anyhow the project is going on well, I'm about in the half way now and I am very satisfied.

The next thing I have to do is little complicated.  I have a scene of a boy in the lower left corner falling in sleep and I should get some transition or something to make a picture in picture, a dream in the upper right corner.  Any advice?

 

RSuonio

Magix Movie Edit Pro 11 v:6.0.1.3
Pentium Dual-Core E6300 @ 2.80 GHz
4 GB memory
Windows XP Home SP3

genelythgow wrote on 11/1/2011, 10:21 PM

Make sure you save your "projects" in an external drive to free up the computer's space.  HD is large but Magix can easily handle what you have and lots more.  I'm doing a full length feature and have over an hour ​of both HD and SD (widescreen) with tons of layers in Video Pro X3 which has the same basic software engine that MEP 17 has.  If you store all of your video and save it all to your external drive, it should help LOADS.  I've overloaded high-end software with SD in the past with only 10 minutes of footage because I was storing the video INSIDE OF THE PROGRAM, which is a mistake.  

The best external hard drive should be a dual RAID, at least 2 TB but you can buy an external Western Digital or Seagate 1TB for about $100 plus or minus. Also, don't keep any files INSIDE the software in general: it bogs it down alot (holds true for ALL editing software, even Avid Producer, AE, FCP or CS5.  

You might want to purchase a better graphics card as well: if you have the factory installed kind, it wont work very well  and will probably crash repeatedly.  It doesn't cost much to get a good graphics card and it snaps right into place.  If your graphics card is not DEDICATED to video, your computer will automatically begin SHARING (borrowing space) from other parts of the hard drive and you'll crash repeatedly.  EXTERNAL STORAGE; SAVE ALL WORK TO THAT DRIVE (as well as ALL other videos and pictures you have on your computer  Make ONE folder ("My Recordings") on your external drive and POINT your Magix software 'save' settings directly to that folder.  If you do this, you should be able to rage through a 10 minute piece with no problem, unless your computer is old, then theres not much you can do except buy a new one.  Hope this helps. -Gino