Title Feature Request/Changes

dwterrell wrote on 1/12/2016, 11:46 AM

Movie Edit Pro Plus 2016

I'm having a lot of "fun" dealing with titles.

Curretly:

If your title requires a change in rotation and you need to edit the text after the rotation you may be out of luck. When you click object and then select Edit Title the text appears highlighted in the preview window with the rotation. Depending on how much you rotated this would render some people unable to alter the text as it would be unreadable in the preview pane.

Solution: Please Provide a seperate text box when specific line editing needs to be done. You can provide a "build" button near the text box or allow the text box already present to handle line by line modifications.

Currently:

The software is constantly adjusting the size of the bounding box, especially when you rotate it. If you need the text bounding box to anchored to a particular area on screen this can be frustrating as every time you change the location it changes some other aspect of the box.

Example: Title Box roated at 83 degree's on its horizontal axis. You need to box to anchor at 20% below the top of the preview screen and about 10% above the bottom. Bounding box should be centered with left and right margins of about 20%.

Changing the "Top" value will also have an effect on the height value. This may be fine most of the time but if the system would simply allow me to place the bounding box where I want and then try to calculate where things should be after I placed the bounding box where I want things would work alot better.

Solution: Allow option to stop all automatic resizing.

Currently: There is no margin justification. We have left, right, and center.

Solution: Add. it seems in your current format you don't need it but if you make the above changes it would be nice.

Comments

terrypin wrote on 1/12/2016, 12:00 PM

Hi,

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but I don't understand the problem. The following screenshot was taken after:

1. Placing a large title and rotating it extremely.

2. Double clicking it and starting to edit.

johnebaker wrote on 1/12/2016, 1:30 PM

Like terry I have some difficulty understanding your problem - however:

. . . . Please Provide a seperate text box when specific line editing needs to be done. . . . .

There already is one as shown below

. . . . The software is constantly adjusting the size of the bounding box, especially when you rotate it . . . .

That is correct - depending on the angle the bounding box is adjusted to maintain the text in the Text safe area of the screen to see this area you can turn on the box under Effects, Movie effect settings as shown below

. . . . Allow option to stop all automatic resizing. . . . .

Again already there - try changing these settings:

. . . . There is no margin justification. We have left, right, and center. . . . .

Can you explain more what you mean - margins and justification are two different things.

Do you mean there is no setting for indenting text eg as follows:

This is the first line of text
This second line is an indented line of text.
This third line is an indented line of text.

If so then this would be a nice feature instead of using spaces.

John EB

dwterrell wrote on 1/13/2016, 1:15 AM

The yellow circle is what I get if I use the feature in the red circle plus horizonal rotation. You can see how I rotated my title in the background. If you rotate like that and as deep as I did, it can not be undone without deleting the object. This feature should just read the text. It seems its trying to do more.

I've done soem experiments and discovered that as long as you don't rotate too deep you can fix the problem by undoing your verticle spacing and rotation.

The feature about "Justifying margins" is called "justify." You have the same feature in this reply box when you answer. Its to the right of the Right Margin button which is next to the center which is next to the left. Basically the "Justify" options ensures your title reads like a news papger or magazine as neither has Jagged edges. If you have ever seen the star wars scroll at the begining of the movie, its justified.

johnebaker

1 pic - that text box does not allow me to change a single line. If I make any changes in that box all of my line by line specific changes (via thepreview screen) are undone. which makes that box unusable the second I do any line by line changes.

If by some reason you need to rotate that deep, I can only think of one reason right now, it would be great if I could have taken those four corners of that object and just anchored them where I wanted them. Using the mouse drag on this object can turn in to a nightmare real fast because as you drag the object seems to change size exponentially.

BTW, if you can change a title line by line using that first box let me know and I'll try to figure it out That would be my prefered box to use.

I guess thats about it. Thanks.

I've pretty much accomplished my goal in that area.

johnebaker wrote on 1/14/2016, 2:52 AM

. . . . The feature about "Justifying margins" is called "justify." You have the same feature in this reply box when you answer. Its to the right of the Right Margin button which is next to the center which is next to the left. . . .

The three buttons to the right of the three justification buttons are:

Outline text
Drop shadow text
3D text

There is no margin button in the title dialog box.

The issue with the text displaying as outlined in yellow below is because you have a negative line spacing of -12 and the display is showing what that setting does to the text ie the text lines are overlapping each other - you get exactly the same if you do this in any word processor.

I have been expermenting with the effect you are trying to create, ie what looks like the Star Wars episode 4 scrolling introduction, and do not have any of the issues you are having.

It may be that my way of creating this is different from yours - I used the following:

From Title, Intro/outro I selected the Aqueous (Outro)
Added the text, set colour, font and line spacing
Applied 3D Distortion option in the Effects, View / Animation pulling in the top left and right handles to reduce the width, and pulled out the two bottom handles to increase the width then used the centre handle of the top and bottom to position the 'start and 'end' of the scrolled text bounding box.

This is the end result I get

HTH

John EB

browj2 wrote on 1/14/2016, 11:50 AM

Full justify is not available. It's a nice thing to have in a text editor, but I wonder if this is really necessary in a video where text is usually short, the Star Wars text being an exception, and even for that, I would use centre. So, I don't think that there is enough demand to justify justification. (I had to get that in there.) However, line spacing and kerning are new in 2016 Plus/Premium from what I see. They don't show up in 2015 or VPX7, so maybe full justification is the next step. Also, the multi-line text box in the dialogue window is new and is not even in VPX7. This is a nice addition.

As John EB pointed out, the Star Wars type effect is done without using rotation; 3D distortion does it all.

There are some strange things that happen when one tries to combine rotation and distortion. Firstly the dialogue numbers for 3D can no longer be used, but the nodes can be dragged and the numbers in the dialogue box change. Secondly, I can confirm that with a large horizontal rotation of greater than 70 degrees combined with 3D distortion, if text is added or changed in the text box of the Preview window, upon accepting, the text box sometimes disappears. It actually drops way down off-screen. It is not there at all when you are under the Title tab, but you can find it by going to Size/Position and zooming way out on the preview monitor. This is probably a bug, as the box should at least show up under the Title tab. The box does shows up as soon as you go into the Effects tab. You have to grab the centre handle to drag the box back onto the video window.

I didn't find any case of not being able to change the text or losing by either typing in the preview window text box or into the text window in the dialogue box. It's just that the second point above causes the box to disappear off-screen, but it's still there.

Unless one is aware of the problems and solutions, I think that it is best to avoid the combination of rotation with 3D distortion. There are similar problems with the other two rotations. I do agree, though, that the text box should not jump to another location after modifying the text.

Below is the long text and the Title dialogue box. Note that "Adjust font size to fit title field" is turned off.

Below is a screen shot of the text box location after editing the text in the above screen. Note that I had to go to Effects.....Size/Position and zoom out in the Preview window to see the box.

dwterrell wrote on 1/15/2016, 9:48 PM

Hi

. . . . The feature about "Justifying margins" is called "justify." You have the same feature in this reply box when you answer. Its to the right of the Right Margin button which is next to the center which is next to the left. . . .

The three buttons to the right of the three justification buttons are:

Outline text

Drop shadow text

3D text

There is no margin button in the title dialog box.

The issue with the text displaying as outlined in yellow below is because you have a negative line spacing of -12 and the display is showing what that setting does to the text ie the text lines are overlapping each other - you get exactly the same if you do this in any word processor.

I have been expermenting with the effect you are trying to create, ie what looks like the Star Wars episode 4 scrolling introduction, and do not have any of the issues you are having.

It may be that my way of creating this is different from yours - I used the following:

From Title, Intro/outro I selected the Aqueous (Outro)

Added the text, set colour, font and line spacing

Applied 3D Distortion option in the Effects, View / Animation pulling in the top left and right handles to reduce the width, and pulled out the two bottom handles to increase the width then used the centre handle of the top and bottom to position the 'start and 'end' of the scrolled text bounding box.

This is the end result I get

HTH

John EB

Unbelievable. Nope. I use the title's bottom scroll up feature. I probably touched on that one or one like it and saw it just set the scroll from bottom to top flag in the titles section. I did get my crawl to work but your way is even simpler. I made the mistake of assuming 3D was about making object fly in your face so when ever I came across it (in the manuel) I just skipped it. I looked at all the tutorials etc. I've looked high and low for an easy solution and it never came up. Feeling kind of dumb right now.

browj2 wrote on 1/15/2016, 11:31 PM

The 3D distortion and the 3D title presets are for 2D; they just give a 3D look. I also ignored these for quite a while.

If you have 3D MakerThe 3D titles and some of the ones under Titles Movement open 3D Maker where you can do some wonderful effects. But, the result is for 2D. These open automatically in 3D Maker with Video Pro X7. I recall that if you installed the trial version of 3D Maker, it would actually open when you clicked on one of these special titles. But I'm getting off topic.

From what I understand, you now have the 3D distortion effect working?

johnebaker wrote on 1/16/2016, 4:32 AM

. . . . I looked at all the tutorials etc. I've looked high and low for an easy solution and it never came up. Feeling kind of dumb right now. . . .

Please do not feel dumb - learning is part of the process and we all sometimes make things much harder for ourselves then is necessary.

MEP can have a steep learning curve for anything but the simplest edits.

If you have any further problems come back and ask - there are many users here who may have, at some time or other, come across a problem you may have, created an non standard MEP effect that you want or know 'how to' .

Cheers and happy editting

John EB