Thoughts from a ONCE loyal customer

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Eric-Penington wrote on 8/5/2020, 1:37 PM

It's so disappointing... I've been using ACID Pro 7 and Sound Forge exclusively, along with various plugins (like Izotope software) for over a decade. I just bought a new, faster, Windows 10 PC and upgraded to ACID Pro 10. The first thing I noticed on my new computer was that my ACID Pro 7 projects did not open correctly on my new computer with either ACID Pro 10 or 7. The correct samples and tracks imported fine, but some of the loops and pitch of the tracks were messed up.

Now I'm forced to keep both computers running now until I'm able to finish my 20 or so ACID Pro 7 projects before I get to fully use my new and faster computer... This really sucks... The other problem is that I can't find a good replacement DAW that works the same way. I've tried them all: Ableton Live, Studio One, Reaper, FL Studio, Cubase, etc. I don't like any yet, but will keep searching.

Petet wrote on 8/11/2020, 8:36 PM

i use windows 10 on a machine with loads of cpu and ram, acid pro 7 opens fine. acid 10 should just run 64 bit plugins, open legacy projects on legacy software. theres always a decent 64 bit replacement for a 32 bit plugin these days.

64 bit only - i find acid gets confused trying to boot 32 bit plugs alongside 64bit.
the waveforms are hard to see (its inverted compared to 7?) when working fast, at a glance its hard work.
a 'proper' classic mode would be great, same icons and waveform colours etc.
being able to copy and paste bus automation would be amazing.
sidechain is a great addition
I delete morphpad and bundled vsts, bloatware and any addons that can be turned off. media manager, never used it, turn that off.

magix still have done a great job bringing this to life,
 

 

Petet wrote on 8/11/2020, 8:39 PM

Eric- Ive had that issue with loops not loading pitch and time, I fixed it by placing the audio files in the directory its looking for rather than using the search tool to select the files.

Former user wrote on 8/31/2020, 4:59 PM

It's so disappointing... I've been using ACID Pro 7 and Sound Forge exclusively, along with various plugins (like Izotope software) for over a decade. I just bought a new, faster, Windows 10 PC and upgraded to ACID Pro 10. The first thing I noticed on my new computer was that my ACID Pro 7 projects did not open correctly on my new computer with either ACID Pro 10 or 7. The correct samples and tracks imported fine, but some of the loops and pitch of the tracks were messed up.

Now I'm forced to keep both computers running now until I'm able to finish my 20 or so ACID Pro 7 projects before I get to fully use my new and faster computer... This really sucks... The other problem is that I can't find a good replacement DAW that works the same way. I've tried them all: Ableton Live, Studio One, Reaper, FL Studio, Cubase, etc. I don't like any yet, but will keep searching.

Try Cakewalk by BandLab. $0. It can even ACIDize Loops, and it supports REX[2] Loops, as well.

That being said, you sound like the type of people who got used to the "WordPad" of DAWs, and simply can't acclimate to the Microsoft Word, WordPerfect, or LibreOffice Writers of DAWs.

I doubt anything will make you happy, so you're going to keep yourself locked into ACID Pro, unfortunately.

Not sure how anyone can get by with only ACID Pro. It is missing so much compared to other DAWs. I guess some people really only use Loops to make music (something you can do in any DAW, these days, but I guess ACID's simplicity is nice for some)?

Victor-Fenton wrote on 1/24/2021, 12:41 AM

@Christopher-Frank I very much agree that I feel like I've been a victim of fraud. MAGIX never delivered a working product in Acid 8, then moved on to Acid 9. Seriously, that's as much garbage as this program is. (I was a dedicated ACID user back in the day- ReWire with Cubase was incredible then.) I really feel like looking into a class action lawsuit- I'm wondering if anyone else is with me. I want my money back.

The only reason to get ACID Pro, at all, is if you're going to use it as your main DAW or simply prefer it (because your needs are fairly simple). It can be a decent sketching tool, though, which is basically how I use it (easy project setup, just start dragging and trying things).

Otherwise, you can pretty much get Samplitude Pro X4 Suite at the same price as a new user of ACID Pro 9 (not an upgrader), and it handles looping and arranging just as well, while being better at almost everything else compared to ACID Pro - and including a content package superior to that of ACID Pro Next Suite (which costs more than Cubase Pro).

Using ACID as your main DAW is totally possible, if you're willing to invest in "bolting on" the utility plugins (Apreggiator, Sequencers, Audio Editor, etc.), Synths, Samplers, and Effects that it lacks in comparison to competitors like e.g. FL Studio. Buying ACID Pro Next Suite is not an economically smart, considering the hilarious price and vendor-locked nature of the plugins.

Otherwise, DAWs like Cubase, Pro Tools, Studio One, Samplitude, etc. all handle Looping and/or arrangement fine enough - some better, as ACID is naturally missing support for things like REX files, has little to not audio functionality (Audio Quantize, Pitch Correction, Wave or Spectral Editing, etc.).

ReWire is, now, more important for using Synths or Effects/Racks from DAWs like Reason and Ableton. ACID Pro is more important as a ReWire HOST than it is as a SLAVE, as you can ReWire a DAW like Reason Intro or Ableton Live Lite into ACID Pro to sidestep some of its limitations and gain access to some good plutins/instruments/synths on the cheap.

Lastly, and more importantly, ACID Pro 8 is being patched. There is a stickied topic on the forum that you seem to love ignoring, and you don't seem to have even bothered to test the latest Beta Builds. MAGIX is going out of their way to accommodate users like you. The least you could do, is at least test the build to see if it fixes your problems before complaining yet again.

If you care that much about the small amount of cash it took to buy ACID Pro 8, chances are you can't even afford to initiate a CALS, and no one else is going to cry as much about this. The people who cared that much moved on during the Sony days, when they wouldn't have even bothered to issue a patch this long after a new version has launched. These people, predominantly, never made it over to ACID Pro 8.

I have to chime in. Not to be bashing Magix, however I too run into the silliest glitches when I am just opening a project I completed 12 hours previously. I have tried to contact support for the last 2 weeks and I keep getting error messages from trying to get a support order. Ok maybe Acid isn’t Magix’s money getter at the moment, however why slack on a product that has been around so long? What happened to taking pride in a brand that’s been around for a few decades? I was introduced to First Acid program, via Hip Hop and it’s been a staple of my production for over 20 years. C’mon guys, don’t do us dirty like this. Yesterday I made the dopest track and 12 hours later called it back up to only have the project pop up with no sound and then a high pitched whine. I didn’t make any adjustments to my cpu . I love the acid 10 and it meets my needs however, the crashes are wearing me thin. If you’re not going to do the loyal customers right by the reputation of Acid, then why continue to sell it. This breaks my heart to leave a DAW that I fell in love with over 20 years ago, and now my production is in high demand now because of my ability to finagle Acid. Please give Acid Pro the attention it deserves...

Former user wrote on 1/24/2021, 1:25 AM

This breaks my heart to leave a DAW that I fell in love with over 20 years ago, and now my production is in high demand now because of my ability to finagle Acid. Please give Acid Pro the attention it deserves...

I 100% agree with you. This is a great DAW. Don't listen to the guy above who is trying to push you to other DAWs as this person clearly has no idea what Acid Pro's workflow is. I think he takes out his frustration on other users who truly understand this DAW. Its not all about just making music with loops. There is a lot more to it. I have read his comments in other threads and all he does it tries to antagonize frustrated users. I don't think Magix is going to throw away such a great product just like that. I believe that they are working on it otherwise they would have put it up for sale and end it.

So, if you are doing well with your music, remember, you made it in Acid pro. So stick to it but try to work through the errors. I have found ways to work Acid without any crashes or freezes. Mine works without a hitch just as long as I do the following: Avoid morph pads, sidechaining, mp3 files, Magix effects and opening Acid files from outside. Open Acid first, then open acid files from within. So far, no issues!

What I do, I prepare an entire song quickly in Acid (workflow..) and once all tracks are done, I export the stems into Studio one for mixing and everything is great. If you don't have another DAW, get Reaper (unlimited trials) or cakewalk Free for mixing since there are few things you can't do in Acid.

Good luck!

Former user wrote on 1/27/2021, 7:11 PM

This breaks my heart to leave a DAW that I fell in love with over 20 years ago, and now my production is in high demand now because of my ability to finagle Acid. Please give Acid Pro the attention it deserves...

I 100% agree with you. This is a great DAW. Don't listen to the guy above who is trying to push you to other DAWs as this person clearly has no idea what Acid Pro's workflow is. I think he takes out his frustration on other users who truly understand this DAW. Its not all about just making music with loops. There is a lot more to it. I have read his comments in other threads and all he does it tries to antagonize frustrated users. I don't think Magix is going to throw away such a great product just like that. I believe that they are working on it otherwise they would have put it up for sale and end it.

I hope you aren't referring to me...

Most people know what the ACID Pro workflow is. It isn't rocket science. It's the same workflow they'd use if they were Dragging/Painting Loops and Samples in another DAW, since most people know what key binds are and would set their DAW up to be productive for this, anyways.

So, if you are doing well with your music, remember, you made it in Acid pro. So stick to it but try to work through the errors. I have found ways to work Acid without any crashes or freezes. Mine works without a hitch just as long as I do the following: Avoid morph pads, sidechaining, mp3 files, Magix effects and opening Acid files from outside. Open Acid first, then open acid files from within. So far, no issues!

Morph Pads weren't added until AP10. Sidechaining wasn't added until well after AP10's release. MP3 files were buggy until fairly recently (still some reports of issues with them). I'm pretty sure you couldn't even open AAC files in ACID Pro without QuickTime installed (is this still the case?). MAGIX Effects are well over a decade old (except the AUDIO PLUGIN UNION stuff e.g. CoreFX Suite) - hardly a selling point. The Vita Solo instruments are based on Yellow Tools samples, and those are probably just as old... about 1.5 decades. Most of us have better, and other DAWs ship with better.

Almost everything you're mentioning is a feature added in the latest version, because STEM MAKER was basically the only thing worth caring about in AP8/9 (Pro Next for v8, IIRC), and SpectraLayers is even better at that. 8 and 9 were filled with stability issues. The only thing they added were MAGIX's old-as-dirt plug-ins, recycled samples (VITA is comparable to SONiVOX stuff - except even that sounds better), and yet people still bought and then upgraded to AP9 to support the product and ensure its continued development (altruistic purchases).

I'd ask why you upgraded to AP8 and 9, but that would be thoroughly rhetorical.

Don't even get me started on their VST3 engine, which is "new" in every product version upgrade because it's so terrible (this isn't an ACID Pro issue, it's a MAGIX issue that affects Samplitude Pro X as well).

What I do, I prepare an entire song quickly in Acid (workflow..) and once all tracks are done, I export the stems into Studio one for mixing and everything is great. If you don't have another DAW, get Reaper (unlimited trials) or cakewalk Free for mixing since there are few things you can't do in Acid.

Unless all you do is draw loops and drag samples onto an arranger, you aren't going to be putting songs together "quickly" in ACID Pro. It isn't even that fast for beat making. Most DAWs have a Drum Sampler and [Pattern] Sequencer, these days, which is a lot faster at doing this than ACID Pro - never mind far superior sample editing.

For what the DAW was designed to do, painting loops and samples (and grooves), it will be fast. Most other DAWs do not target that market, directly, because the general market has moved on and producers need a DAW that is more general purpose.

If your needs are firmly within ACID's niche, then it's probably best to go with ACID. Why add more complication or distraction (unnecessary features, to you) than necessary?

My compositions (EDM) have about 40-50 tracks... A DAW like Cubase or Studio One will run literal circles around ACID for EDM Production, while being 500% more stable in the process. I've crashed ACID Pro multiple times doing innocuous things like... pressing "Okay" in the Preference dialog.

My recommendation of a freebie was largely to help the user I replied to avoid spending hundreds more dollars trying another DAW... because, let's face it... DAWs are too complicated to "trial" in 30 days, especially for a working professional. We don't have the luxury of just dropping everything, and our productivity, to move wholesale to another DAW for a "trial."

And there's nothing frustrated about me. I just don't go out of my way to sound as diplomatic as possible. Energy better spent elsewhere ;-)

DFIII wrote on 1/27/2021, 11:29 PM

If this seems like a hijack slap me and I'll go elsewhere. I'm posting here because it seems more knowledgeable members of the forum are attending to this thread ... and discussing the type of issue that is tormenting me.

It is absolutely blowing my mind that Acid Pro 10 is crashing AT LEAST every other time I try to open a project I've saved ... sometimes multiple times. Where should I send these 'Exception' messages? Is there any support to be had?

For a little perspective I'm running latest (continual upgrading) Win 10 Professional on a 10 core i7 wit 64Gb RAM with all the recommended DAW tweaks. Pro Tools Ultimate, Cubase Pro 10.5 and a myriad of lesser programs and plugins have been and continue to run flawlessly.

Is there some 'magix' sticky somewhere to help me sort this out and get stable operation?

 

(Update: I did find the thread on this issue with everyone trying to roll back to 10.0.3 ... but I don't have 10.0.3 and my Acid Pro 6 was useless as Magix could not help me authorize it on this new computer.)

Thanks.

Former user wrote on 1/28/2021, 10:47 AM

@Former user "(this isn't an ACID Pro issue, it's a MAGIX issue that affects Samplitude Pro X as well)" you are spot ON!!! AP, Samplitude and Vegas, Vegas has had audio issues for over a decade and Magix has known about it all along but didn't address the problems, just kicked it down the road. AP11 is coming and my hope is that the issues that plague AP will be seriously addressed and not just a repackage version of AP10 with more 'bloatware'...which is sadly what I fear............

dft wrote on 1/28/2021, 2:06 PM

FWIW Update on 10.0.4 'Exception' crashes.

I've got my fingers crossed ... but so far so good.

I had installed Sound Forge Acid 3 on my new computer and then attempted to install my upgrade to Sony Acid 6.0 ... but no one answered the web call out to complete the authorization. That's when I contacted Magix and learned I could upgrade from Sony Acid 6.

So after endless 'Exception' crashes on Acid 10.0.4 it occurred that they seemed like copy protection issues. I went in with Revo Uninstaller and did a deep uninstall including registry sweep on all the prior Sound Forge Acid 3 and Sony Acid 6 components I could find ... and now 10.0.4 seems to be behaving.

I'll report back is success continues.

Former user wrote on 2/10/2021, 11:16 PM

@Former user "(this isn't an ACID Pro issue, it's a MAGIX issue that affects Samplitude Pro X as well)" you are spot ON!!! AP, Samplitude and Vegas, Vegas has had audio issues for over a decade and Magix has known about it all along but didn't address the problems, just kicked it down the road. AP11 is coming and my hope is that the issues that plague AP will be seriously addressed and not just a repackage version of AP10 with more 'bloatware'...which is sadly what I fear............

VEGAS Pro doesn’t have VST3 Support, which is what I was referring to. I can’t speak to the Audio Issues in that software. The only thing I noticed is that it would randomly rescan ALL of my VST plugins several times a day, which became more and more of an issue the more and more plugins I installed. But I moved off of VEGAS years ago so I don’t really want to delve into it. I haven’t even cared enough to trialn the latest version.