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AAProds wrote on 7/16/2020, 9:13 AM

@johnebaker Gday John,

You must be referring to a SD - 720 x 576 or 720 x 480 px video file.

For sending to another person to edit/incorporate/re-encode into another video SD is, IMHO, not good enough for incorporation into another video - a higher resolution eg 1920 x 1080 is more preferable to maintain quality when the video is to be edited/re-encoded in other software.

Fair enough, but a bitrate of even 6k would be ample at either resolution, given it'll most probably be viewed on the church monitors and YT.

I've just done a VHS capture video at 3k 720x576 and it looks great on my 55" TV, better than on the 'puter, so good is the upscaling of these new TVs. You can tell the difference viewing a 1920x1080 file (at a much-higher bitrate of course), but for @Dosco 's purposes, 6k would be more than ample, from what he has written. Certainly, anything over 500mb (for a 5min video) would be overdoing it, in my view.

@CubeAce Ray, 4k. That explains it! Might need to upgrade my i5-720??

@Dosco As you can see the bitrate will determine how big your MP4 file will be. I suggest you contact the production company and ask them what resolution and file size they want your video to be. Then we can advise on the MEP export parameters.

Re your cropping:

I was having some cropping issues at the top of each 'Landscape' photo, overcame it by re-sizing in 'Photoshop'

This is very easy to do in MEP: simply click on the image you need to crop, then in the Effects Tab, click on "Section" (half way down the list in mauve colour) then drag a corner of the selection area (orange corners, white-dashed edging) to encompass the area of your image you want. You can even move the area around the image to choose just the bit you want; click in the middle of the area and left-drag the whole area. To preview the "section" or cropped area of the image, click the Preview button at the top right of the Effects dialogue box. To do another image, make sure you click on the new image first!

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All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CubeAce wrote on 7/16/2020, 12:07 PM

@AAProds

Hi.

I find that an interesting observation as I watch most of my TV viewing on my computer screen as it is better than watching it on my TVs. Largest TV screen we have though is 48" and not as new as my monitors. Nor am I sitting as near to my TV compared to sitting at my monitors.

If I use a memory stick to plug into the TV to watch a video I've produced, the colour space and tonal range also seems less wide. Darks not as black, whites not as bright. Then again the viewing experience is different in the rooms concerned and I can colour grade my monitors.

I suspect your TV being 55" is newer than any of my screens. Is it LED or OLED?

The reason for me upgrading my pc was my old one couldn't cope with my newer camera's output. My son took my old motherboard and put an i7 into it and that seems to be doing OK now at his house, and he has the same make and model camera I have.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 7/16/2020, 12:34 PM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

I agree to disagree on the bitrate/resolution setting, however

. . . . .I suggest you contact the production company and ask them what resolution and file size they want your video to be. . . . .

I agree totally with you on this one. 👍

. . . . VHS capture video at 3k 720x576 and it looks great on my 55" TV, better than on the 'puter, so good is the upscaling of these new TVs . . . .

Is that from disc or memory stick/ext hard drive?

What make model do you have - I have been looking at new TV's for a while and so far it is looking like the Sony AG9 4K 55" OLED.

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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johnebaker wrote on 7/16/2020, 12:43 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . I don't use HEVC for export either normally . . . .

I don't use HEVC either it is IMHO poor with pan shots unless the source framerate is at least 50 fps and is exported at 50 fps.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Scenestealer wrote on 7/16/2020, 6:37 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John

I don't use HEVC either it is IMHO poor with pan shots unless the source framerate is at least 50 fps and is exported at 50 fps.

Can you explain where you see this "poorness" and is this on your TV or your computer or both?

Peter

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

AAProds wrote on 7/16/2020, 8:53 PM

@johnebaker

What make model do you have - I have been looking at new TV's for a while and so far it is looking like the Sony AG9 4K 55" OLED.

I have an LG 55SK8500 LED (interestingly described in the manual as "LG LED TV applies LCD screen with LED backlights."). It has of course been superceded by OLED.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Dosco wrote on 7/20/2020, 9:04 AM

I have finished the editing of my project and before I export it I have noted the following in the project file and would like some advice as to the best way forward.

There are a number of photographs that I did use then after making some changes I removed (deleted) them from the video, they are still in the project folder. So can I simply go through the project and delete them?

Also when I was making all the changes I decided to 'save' the outcome (I did this twice!) under a different file name so I now have two unused or what might be called 'original' productions in the same project folder. So can I simply delete them also?

When I did my 8mm converted movie film videos I rendered them do I need to do the same with this project before exporting it?

Or - Given the Project is now quite large could I transfer my now finished work to a newly created project folder so I do not have all that detritus that is no longer required?

CubeAce wrote on 7/20/2020, 2:41 PM

@Dosco

If the files are stored in another location or just not needed they can be deleted but they will be sent to the recycle bin.

Yes I frequently delete unused versions of project files. Just don't delete the one you need.

Not sure what you mean by your third question.

Transferring a project to a new location using the project Backup method within MEP should transfer any files the original folder has in it at the time of the backup.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5608

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

Scenestealer wrote on 7/20/2020, 6:26 PM

@Dosco

If by your third question you mean that you saved your project XXX.MVP, using Save As with an appended name XXXNew.MVP you can delete either one without affecting the other providing you had not deleted photo object files mentioned in your question 2 that were in one project and not the other. If this happened, providing you had a copy of the original clip somewhere on your computer (other than in the project folder) then MEP on opening the .MVP would ask you to relink to the copy of the missing clip wherever it is residing on your hard drive.

Peter

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

Dosco wrote on 7/22/2020, 3:35 AM

Excellent, thank you both your response is much appreciated.

Dosco wrote on 7/23/2020, 8:46 AM

I have just completed the export of my video after which it played through and looked just fine.

I need to find out where it was 'parked' so I can send it off, where should I start my search as currently I must be looking in the wrong places!

The producer asked me use the following: - MP4 Full HD 1920x1080 25fps

emmrecs wrote on 7/23/2020, 9:07 AM

@Dosco

If by "parked" you mean where it was saved, check what the following screen says in MEP for your computer:

HTH

Jeff

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Dosco wrote on 7/23/2020, 9:21 AM

@Dosco

If by "parked" you mean where it was saved, check what the following screen says in MEP for your computer:

HTH

Jeff

 

 

 

Dosco wrote on 7/23/2020, 9:25 AM

I did mean that, and the screen shot shows where it is supposed to be however I am unable to see and reference to MP4

Dosco wrote on 7/23/2020, 9:33 AM

Just by accident I have found it, well I think I have found it - oh boy what an idiot.

johnebaker wrote on 7/23/2020, 11:07 AM

@Dosco

Hi

. . . . the screen shot shows where it is supposed to be however I am unable to see and reference to MP4 . . . .

It is the first object on the third row in Windows Explorer image in the same comment.

Personally I avoid saving the video into the root of the project folder - I have a sub folder 'Export video' that they are put into.

HTH

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Dosco wrote on 7/27/2020, 8:51 AM

I would normally do that but on this occasion I 'lost my way' again! failing to check the place where I could have made an informed decision, hey ho one learns by ones mistakes.

However all is well and the finished video sent on its way - at last.

Many thanks to one and all for helping me with this project.