Rendering Problems

Kami_1 wrote on 2/15/2013, 11:29 PM

Movie Edit Pro MX premium, V. 11.06.4; Windows 7, 64 bit; i7-920 processor; 12 GHz Ram; DirectX 11, Nvidia GTX 260.  Projects are standard 4x3.

I had successfully completed and burned 4 projects.  Then the problems began, with project 5, before I installed the MEP update.  It had maybe 10 videos.  No problem with the first eight, but the software hung with the last two.  Since I had enough videos without the last two, I removed them and was able to complete and burn the DVD.

Then, I put the two failed ones at the beginning of the next project, #6.  I used the parts of the VOB file which had rendered, and exported the remaining parts to mpg2.  Then I encoded them in the Burn menu .... successfully.

Then I edited four more videos and added them to the project with the two.  The first two videos processed okay, but the software crashed about 2/3 through the third video.

Again, I used the VOB file in Video 3, and exported the remaining part to mpg.  I then proceeded to export the last 3 videos to mpg. 

The export process for Videos 3, 4 and 5 was different.  At some point in each one, the blue progress line went to complete, but the software continued processing.  The message was something about frame tables.  (The message periodically flashed on for a fraction of a second.)  Eventually, each video opened in Windows Media Player, and were complete.

After video 4, I had gone into Options and unchecked the auto frame table option, since it was doing what it does everytime I went to a different video or different menu page in the Burn window.

When I exported the last video, it seemed to process "normally," except that about 2/3 through, MEP hung again.  When I re-launched, I used the part of the mpg which completed, and then exported the last third.  This worked normally.

Having processed all six videos, I again went to the Burn window and started the rendering process.  I checked for it to Use Videos 1 and 2, but to re-encode Video 3.  As soon as it went to Video 3, I got this error message.

I then checked Smart Rendering in the Encoder settings window, but the same things happened, with the same error message.

Then I changed the option from User Defined to DVD Standard.  Then when I started the process again with Smart Rendering checked, the error message changed to "Aborted by User"!!??!!  With Smart Rendering unchecked, I got the original message.

If anyone has any ideas for me before I contact Magix tech support (which I have to pay for), I'd very much appreciate it.  Thanks.

Kami

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/16/2013, 12:44 PM

Follow-up.  I managed to get this project burned:  I took my backup of Video 3 and tried to render it.  Got the MEP crash message.  Then I exported to mpg-Std. DVD.  It stopped 3/4 way thru, with the MEP crash message.

I reloaded the file, and exported from the point the previous exported crashed.  The export completed.  Then I used both exports in place of the original work, and was able to have the file rendered in the Burn menu.  The I substituted the VOB file in the project file (with the 6 videos).  Surprisingly, this time it completed and burned.  

Question:  I don't generally use transitions, and no special effects which MEP has.  It's straight editing/cutting with video and audio fixing.  However, the cutting becomes minute, with many objects of a second or less.  Does anyone know if this can cause MEP to choke?  I'd think if it does, the software wouldn't let me do such tiny cuts.

And it wouldn't explain why it wouldn't render (burn window) the single file from the two mpgs.

Another question:  I'm wondering if it would help to uninstall and re-install MEP.

In the Twilight Zone category:  When the Burn completed, with MEP still open (so I can fix typos and such) I opened the video with Media Center/Power DVD.  I'm looking carefully for typos when I hear the audio playing!!  Closed down Power DVD and still heard audio, so it was somehow coming from MEP even though no video was playing there either!  (I checked Task Manager; nothing else was running.)

 

johnebaker wrote on 2/16/2013, 2:42 PM

Hi Kami

When you say It had maybe 10 videos - do you mean ten video objects on one timeline or 10 different timelines in one project?

I don't use VOBs in a project, however, I feel that it is better to be consistent with the type of video on the timeline I only mix 1920 * 1080i 25fps mts (from my Sony camera) and 1920* 1080p 30 fps  mov files from my Contour sportscam) on the same timeline and this causes me a small problem because the frame rates are different.

The VOB files can be changed to mpg simply by changing the file extension to mpg.  If this does not help they can be changed back again.

The other things I do if I get a problem like this is with MEP closed is to find and delete any .h0 and .hdp files that are of the same name as the problem video and delete them.  I also delete any mxfilerelatedcache.mxc2 files found in the projects folders in case any are corrupt. They are recreated the next time you open the project.

I have found that a setting which causes a problem for me (and this has only happened since I changed from ATI to NVidia graphics card) - particularly in the Export as mp4 dialog box, but may also affect the mpg export/burn - is if I have the  Calculate video effects on GPU option in the export.burn dialog or Advanced settings dialog on the Burn window, checked and  with Hardware Acceleration turned on in the program settings.  I turn off the setting Calculate video effects on GPU option in the export/burn dialog?

See this image

HTH

John

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/16/2013, 3:17 PM

Hi John,

Each video in a project is always on its own timeline.

I used the VOB's out of desperation.  Nothing else was working.  

I'll try deleting the HO and HDP files next time I run into this problem.... and with the current number of them, I'm sure I'll have a chance to try that.  I don't see the mxfilerelatedcache.mxc2 in the project files, including the folders with the original video source files.  I sometimes see it in folders with photos and videos which aren't related to the project.

"Calculate video effects on GPU" option isn't checked.

"Hardware Acceleration":  Do you mean the Video mode option "Hardware Acceleration (Direct 3D)?  That's what I have checked, which seems to be the default in my setup.  I tried the other options, since I don't do anything in 3D, but playback on the timeline was bad.

Kami

 

 

terrypin wrote on 2/17/2013, 2:19 AM

Hi Kami,

I get a further complication with MEP 2013 Premium, definitely in your aptly named Twilight category. I've had inconsistent results with the same project at the same stage of development. Not what you want to hear when trying to isolate an obscure problem!

Different scenario to yours though. It was when exporting MP4 (1920x1080 25fps) and the contradictory behaviour was getting or not getting this error message:

After I first encountered the export error I ran a methodical series of tests. But I couldn't reproduce it. I'd thought it was due to either a conflict with Google Earth (which I run with FRAPS to capture 'tours' for my holday videos) or the rather more general cause of limited RAM resources. At the time of the export error my TM > Performance > PF usage tab reported that I was using about 2.7 GB. On this XP 32-bit PC only about 3.4 GB of my 4 GB is accessible anyway, I gather, so that seemed a likely culprit. However, during the tests I took the PF usage up to around 2.8 GB (by loading more and more arbitrarily chosen apps), but the export continued to be successful.

Re your query about Hardware Acceleration, yes, it's this setting.

 

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 2/17/2013, 2:53 AM


Hi Kami

Each video in a project is always on its own timeline.. . . . . 

Just to confirm you have multiple timelines in one project like this and are wanting a menu like this (this in in menu edit mode) each option being a seperate movie on the disc with and without chapters in the example shown.

If this is correct then there is an issue with some of the menu templates which cannot handle more than 6 movies in one project. I have not had success with the Clockwork and the Red Smoke - they put 7 items on the menu page but the menu does not work in a player or PowerDVD.

Those that I have tested and found working will put 6 movies on a menu page the eg Photo Album.

The Default Static HD 16:9 menus will put 7 menus on one page - this is the example shown.

I reported the menu issue to Magix back in December 2012. 

    . . . . "Hardware Acceleration":  Do you mean the Video mode option "Hardware Acceleration (Direct 3D)?  That's what I have checked, which seems to be the default in my setup. . . . .

Yes that is the option I mean - with the Calculate . . . GPU option turned on as shown in my previous post I get problems.

For multiple movies in one project I create each one individually, burn it to a rewriteable DVD or BD and check it, correct it if necessary, then export as a mxv file. 

I then create a seperate project and import the mxv files to create the complete multi movie disc.

John

 

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 10:42 AM

Hi John.  Yes, multiple time lines and menus as in your s-caps.

I don't use menu templates.  I select a "button" for the project and "Orders" depending on the number of menus and sub-menus on each "page."  But the rendering froze (as previously described) way before it got to the stage of rendering the menu information.

For multiple movies in one project I create each one individually, burn it to a rewriteable DVD or BD and check it, correct it if necessary, then export as a mxv file.  I then create a seperate project and import the mxv files to create the complete multi movie disc.

I also create each movie (mvd file) separately.  But I create a new project (in a different folder) and add each individual movie.  OR, I copy the first movie to a separate folder, rename it, and add the other movies.  Each added movie is on a separate timeline.

When you export to mxv, does Smart Rendering work on those files?

Kami

Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 11:07 AM

Hi Terry, 

My display options (MX18) are different:

I hate error messages which give no information. 

Kami

terrypin wrote on 2/17/2013, 1:11 PM

Hi Kami,

You mean the de-interlace setting? It's outside my technical know-how level, but I've always had mine set to the default 'Top field first'.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 2:08 PM

The Video Mode Hardware Acceleration setting.  What I have is slightly different from the one in the newer MEP version.  (I'm not knowledgeable about interlacing either.)

Hi Kami,

You mean the de-interlace setting? It's outside my technical know-how level, but I've always had mine set to the default 'Top field first'.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

johnebaker wrote on 2/17/2013, 3:25 PM

Hi Kami

I also create each movie (mvd file) separately.  But I create a new project (in a different folder) and add each individual movie.

This is making it difficult for you to isolate any problems.  By importing the mvd into a new project you are also importing any problems there may be within that project.

Try exporting each individual project as a mxv file - I doubt smart rendering will be used - however your computer is plenty fast enough.  Then import the mxv files into the final project.

Once you have done this you know you have a good video to import into the final project.


@ Terry

I am confused , I know my head has been feeling as though it is full of wool this weekend , however where de-interlacing come into the conversation?

John

 

 

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 3:53 PM

Hi John,

I meant MVP files, sorry.

Re the mxv file, I meant after they're imported into the project and doing the final rendering from the Burn window.  Is there any advantage to exporting to mxv as opposed to mpg2 (or mpg1)?

My problem with compiling the full project from any exports is the text.  Most of them are locations, and I have to put them in right away or else I'll forget.  Then I have to go thru the exported video, make sure it's there, and then delete the originals.  There's also the chapter markers, which are sometimes off by a few frames when I substitute the exports.  It's difficult to get them into the exact spots with one long file (the exported file that's on the timeline).  I could cut the file, but I don't know if Smart Render is affected if they're cut (referring to mpg's).  

Kami

 

Hi Kami

I also create each movie (mvd file) separately.  But I create a new project (in a different folder) and add each individual movie.

This is making it difficult for you to isolate any problems.  By importing the mvd into a new project you are also importing any problems there may be within that project.

Try exporting each individual project as a mxv file - I doubt smart rendering will be used - however your computer is plenty fast enough.  Then import the mxv files into the final project.

Once you have done this you know you have a good video to import into the final project.

 

 

terrypin wrote on 2/17/2013, 3:56 PM

Kami, John: De-interlacing was the only difference in the MX/2013 screenshots (apart from the typical arbitrary change of wording by Magix for the HW mode).

Kami: i'm curious as to why you apparently changed it to Bottom field first?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK 

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 4:03 PM

Kami: i'm curious as to why you apparently changed it to Bottom field first?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I didn't change anything.  If that wasn't the default, I don't know why it's at that setting.  If anyone suggests a better setting, I'll change it.  

Kami

johnebaker wrote on 2/17/2013, 4:20 PM

Hi

I agree with Kami - default was also set to Bottom Field First on mine - annoying as my AVCHD 's are Top Field First.

Kami - that setting should match your main video source interlacing ie Top or Bottom Field First or set to Progressive if the videosource is Progressive.

Terry - thanks for clearing up the confusion.

John

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

johnebaker wrote on 2/17/2013, 4:25 PM

Hi kami

Is there any advantage to exporting to mxv as opposed to mpg2 (or mpg1)?

Yes see below.

My problem with compiling the full project from any exports is the text.  Most of them are locations, and I have to put them in right away or else I'll forget.  Then I have to go thru the exported video, make sure it's there, and then delete the originals.  There's also the chapter markers, which are sometimes off by a few frames when I substitute the exports.  It's difficult to get them into the exact spots with one long file . . . .

That is why I use mxv files.

Using mpg(2) a new frametable gets created for each imported file and this throws off the timing of chapter markers by a few frames either way from where you actually want them.

I add titles, text and chapters at the final composite project stage not before.

John

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 4:34 PM

OK, thanks much for the input.  Unfortunately, with all the videos I have, I'd never remember the information I need for text and chapters. 

Speaking of chapter markers, with the newer version, does the text you give them get truncated the next time you open that project file?  It's a major annoyance, as I have to make 2 or 3 chapter markers where I need just one. 

Kami

That is why I use mxv files.

Using mpg(2) a new frametable gets created for each imported file and this throws off the timing of chapter markers by a few frames either way from where you actually want them.

I add titles, text and chapters at the final composite project stage not before.

John

Kami_1 wrote on 2/17/2013, 4:45 PM

I don't know what the original source is.  I've been using Sony Handycams.  If this info is in the manual, I don't see it/know where to look.

Kami

Hi

I agree with Kami - default was also set to Bottom Field First on mine - annoying as my AVCHD 's are Top Field First.

Kami - that setting should match your main video source interlacing ie Top or Bottom Field First or set to Progressive if the videosource is Progressive.

Terry - thanks for clearing up the confusion.

John

 

terrypin wrote on 2/18/2013, 1:13 AM

 

Speaking of chapter markers, with the newer version, does the text you give them get truncated the next time you open that project file?  It's a major annoyance, as I have to make 2 or 3 chapter markers where I need just one. 

Kami

Hi Kami,

Yes, chapter marker names appear to be limited to 21 characters. And apart from the time between initially entering their names to replace the blank default (if you do that - I don't) then they have no further effect on the chapter titles once you've entered them in what I think is the correct way, namely in Burn mode using the Properties dialog.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/MEP-ChapterMenu-2.jpg

We discussed this a few months ago in this thread:

http://www.magix.info/us/magix-mep-plus-any-version-chapter-marker-titles.forum.857927.html

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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Kami_1 wrote on 2/18/2013, 8:44 AM

Hi Terry,

Thanks for the link re chapter markers.  I understand and see why chapter marker text should be entered on the Burn menu, and I see that the text "sticks" there, regardless of what's on the timeline.

However, my problem, as I mentioned, is remembering what should be there, since I often don't get to doing the DVD design for months.  Most of what I video tape  is migrating birds where I live (also my cats; and I caught a little shaky footage of the space shuttle when it was flown around Manhattan in April 2012). 

From Spring 2012 I had enough video for 3 DVD's, and Aug. through December enough for 6.  I usually do some basic things right away, initial cutting, audio, text (for locations) and chapter markers (for bird ID's). 

Because I was out getting more video (and also because I got "addicted" to some Cornell U. nest cams, recording hours of s-caps, video and stills [but no editing!]), I didn't get to completing even the Spring videos until this winter.  (I still have Nov., Dec. and Jan. to do.) This is why I enter chapter marker names and text right away. 

Kami

Yes, chapter marker names appear to be limited to 21 characters. And apart from the time between initially entering their names to replace the blank default (if you do that - I don't) then they have no further effect on the chapter titles once you've entered them in what I think is the correct way, namely in Burn mode using the Properties dialog.