@browj2

Hi John CB

The CPU fan header is for the CPU heatsink fan (or fans) only. The system senses the presence of this during startup, and controls the RPMs to regulate air flow as necessary.

You always need fans in a Pc case.

There needs to be an exhaust system to
pull in cool air from outside, and blow hot air out the back.

Stephen

@browj2

Hi John.

All of those headers are to allow you to choose which type of cooler you wish to use. Some modern motherboards now supply some or all of the voltages needed from the motherboard (except the graphics card) rather than from the power supply directly. It varies.

The M.2 ports can have additional fans on brackets above for additional cooling but unless you are gaming really hard you should not need any.

Ray.

@Patient-X @CubeAce

Hi Stephen and Ray,

Looking at the details, I see "A bundled fan bracket and additional VRM fan provide additional cooling..." I presume that by "additional" they mean that it is not included.

For the case, I presume that the 5-fan configuration includes some way for the air to exhaust, but it's not obvious where.

I would need it to exhaust to the left of the case (viewing from the front) to keep my feet warm in the winter. For summer, I would need a vent to the outside like the dryer vent below. Hmmm. It could be reversed for the winter bringing in cold arctic air to reduce the operation of the fans.

That reminds me, I need to put another coat of paint on the window frame, screw on the new vent and seal it, plus replace some glazing putty on windows.

I'll update my order before getting back to the real job of paint removal, sanding, patching, sanding, patching, caulking, painting. Winter is coming; today we have a Scottish temperature, 12-14 degrees C.

Thanks,

John CB

@browj2

Hi John.

I get colder temperatures than that in the south East of England during winter unless you mean minus 12-14C 🤣

Ray.

@browj2 @CubeAce

Hi John CB 🤣

Okay, nice one.

My spare room is quite small, and the heat coming from rear and top of Pc mesh vent heats up room, don't need to use radiator, my Pc is at my feet on the floor under the counter I made.😁

My pc is a year old and has Cpu intel i5 10th gen, rtx2070 super graphics card, 16gb ram, etc.

I have had the same Acer XB270H 1440 27in monitor for many years as it serves its purpose.

As Ray mentioned everyone will have their own requirements, some folk may overclock cpu for gaming etc.

It gets annoying when pc components are always being upgraded and new software gets more demanding.

But I suppose future proofing should last a few years.

Stephen

Pc similar to my own with top air vent and front side vents, I have three fans at front.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

Today's temperature. Last week we had temperatures of up to 30C.

In winter, we'll see 0 to minus 35 C. We're on the lower St-Lawrence River, North Shore - La Malbaie. If we go 6 km inland, the temperature is usually 4C higher. It will be cold and snowy. I'm looking at getting a snow blower for our first winter here.

John CB

@browj2 @CubeAce @Reyfox

Hi John, Ray

I have had a great summer this year in Scotland, managed to paint outside the house this week, retirement brings many chores and back pain sores. 😁

Not much snow in winter as I am on the West coast of Scotland.

Weather is still fine for now.

Good luck John with your new PC. 👍

Stephen

@AAProds @CubeAce @PATIENT-X @browj2 @johnebaker

I've built or modified my own computers since 1990. The last "store bought" desktop was my Amigas (4 of them, but all modified by me). Everything else (except laptops) has been built by me for the purpose it was going to be used. In addition to myself, I've built scores of custom computers for businesses with specific needs in addition to setting up servers, running ethernet through the walls and training. Now, it's just myself, wife and church I keep up with.

As @CubeAce said, you will probably hear more noise from outside sources than todays computers with proper cooling. I'm sure your temps also benefit from all those fans. The Phanteks P400a is highly rated for air flow (cooling), and it has enough room for everything I have at the moment. Cool components are happy components. One fan in the back of the case is not going to do much.

I don't think anyone could go wrong with any current components for today's computers, unless you are building a bleeding edge, state of the art one.

@browj2 the cooling for the VRM's is ok. It's the CPU cooler that I am interested in, since I do not believe it comes with one. Are you or a systems integrator building the computer? A 120mm AIO to me is not a good investment. There are many air coolers that will outperform a good 120mm AIO for less money and less worry.

As for case fans. A couple in front and one in the back should work.

@browj2 @johnebaker @CubeAce @Reyfox @PATIENT-X

JohnEB said:

I am going to contradict @AAProds comment regarding a water cooler - avoid at all cost - they require a very specific mounting arrangement which is not achievable with a lot of cases and they are often fitted incorrectly which can results in higher failure rates and cooling issues.

Let me expand on my experience.

Specific mounting arrangement. The small cooling head (only slightly bigger that the CPU, basically) has a mounting bracket that bolts on the backside of the MB under the CPU. I even set that up without pulling my motherboard out completely.

not achievable with a lot of cases. I have a bog-standard miditower (43cm tall) and full ATX motherboard. The flexible cooling pipes run to a standard-sized fan, mounted on the back on the case in the standard position just below the power supply. Having CPU heating issues ever since I assembled my machine (requiring regular de-clogging of the cooling fins on the Intel CPU heatsink and fan, only really done right by pulling the fan assy off and having to re-grease the contact with the CPU), I bought a big Coolermaster heat-pipe heatsink with integrated fan. It was enormous, bolted/"hung" onto the motherboard and completely consumed the empty space in my box, making cable-management (and I suspect, good thru-box airflow) almost impossible.

often fitted incorrectly which can results in higher failure rates and cooling issues. Especially with the motherboard out (so you can fit the back bracket easily), mine was a sinch to fit and a no-brainer. I felt much more comfortable bolting the small cooler head onto the CPU/motherboard than the alternative whopping great heatsink/fan.

The fan is as quiet as a mouse: the graphics card and other box fan I have make more noise.

As I said before: CPU temps prior to fit: ~90° during encoding (after a good fin-clean). After fit: ~50°.

I will most certainly be putting one of these in my new machine.

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

See this YT video .

. . . . the alternative whopping great heatsink/fan . . . .

Modern motherboards can cope with some heavy load forces on them, and the heat sink load spreader fitted to the underside also assists in spreading the load over a wider area.

John EB

@johnebaker @AAProds

I'm not keen on water cooling personally but if I had a small case with not much room I would consider it.

As it is my tower case is larger than my full sized open reel tape deck.🤣🤣🤣 Everything is wrong on my aging case. The power supply is at the top and cable management is a nightmare. However it is huge and capable of holding 6 HDDs and numerous SSDs. Two Blu-ray players and two multi purpose bays I can hot-swap HDD caddies with if need be but only have one. The other has a multi card reader in it. It also has the best anti theft device I have found for a computer. I can hardly lift it 🤞😉

Ray.

@AAProds @johnebaker @CubeAce

My previous build I installed a Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L V2 RGB CPU Liquid Cooler, top mounted.

I had no issues, it bubbled up on Pc boot up, but was quiet when generally running.

Stephen

I water cooled (AIO 240) the Ryzen 7 1700x because I had a constant overclock. No issues in 3 years. Giving the wife the computer, I took out the AIO and put in a Hyper 212 Evo I had laying around since I was not going to overclock it anymore. It's running nice and cool.

As I wrote, I still have an AIO in the box (Arctic), but just too lazy to bother since there is no overclocking on the 3900X, the stock cooler is working so far, and it really looks nice in the case!

Obviously, as far as keeping an AIO running, means you have to stay more on top of it than an air cooler. If the air cooler isn't working, that usually means the fan isn't spinning. Mostly, an easy cheap fix. AIO is a different beast. Is the impeller spinning? Is there gunk (ala Enermax) in there? Permeation, how much fluid have I lost over the last few years? Radiator clogged?

For the sometimes "overclocker" in me, water cooling is superior. Just haven't felt the "itch"... And there are many air coolers out there that are pretty darn good!

@johnebaker @Reyfox @PATIENT-X @CubeAce @AAProds

Hi all,

I have a reply from my supplier. He says that the motherboard is high performance and overclockable but the processor is not. Since the processor is not overclockable, it comes with its original cooler.

Overclocking is beyond my capacity, so I'm not planning on doing it.

So, what should I do now?

Go back to the original TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI? Find an equivalent ATX size?

From my limited understanding, here are two options that may work (the first in the comparison is the B560M-Plus m-ATX):

TUF GAMING B570 Pro WIFI

ROG STRIX B560-A GAMING WIFI

Change the processor? Already getting too expensive.

Thanks,

John CB

@browj2

Hi John.

If you are not gaming then you really don't need to overclock. It may well come with its original cooler but that does not mean it can't be replaced or that it will not get hot due to a high a continuous load during exporting or even running a project. Really it seems all anyone is interested in is gaming requirements. Overclocking is more about fine tuning the ram clock speeds not the CPU. If you are going with MEP 2022 or VPX 13, I think from what I've seen from reports here and my own experience the nvidia card is going to be much more important than that processor although it will need to keep cool as it will spend most of its time away from its base speed of 2.90 GHz while editing and will be much nearer its boost speed of 4.80 GHz. Yes a more expensive processor would be nice but the benefits and advantages in this instance do not in my opinion warrant the additional cost.

I know you don't want to build your own but really keep an eye on what they provide and take a note of all the components within the build when it arrives. What they mean is the motherboard ram configuration can not be altered. That to my mind makes it a more stable platform for video editing.

Ray.

@browj2

Hi john

. . . . Go back to the original TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI? . . . .

If it were not for the fact that this is a mATX board it would be on my list of suitable boards.

Personally I would go for a MSI MAG Z590 Tomahawk WiFi, with the ROG STRIX B560-A GAMING WIFI as an alternative - here in the UK they are virtually the same price - ie within C$35.00 of each other.

Many Intel processors come with a stock cooler, anything else is an additional expense.

John EB

@johnebaker @browj2

Hi.

My main concern with that motherboard is still the two ram slots and eventually if needed the additional expense of buying large capacity memory sticks.

You also can't take advantage of the higher ram processing speeds on that board with that processor so don't go mad on memory specs.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I assume you are referring to the TUF board in which case I agree with your assessment of the memory slots.

John EB

@PATIENT-X @Reyfox @CubeAce @browj2 @johnebaker @AAProds

Hi All

As for "future" proof...

Don't overlook the fact that CPU and Graphics chips are trending towards lower and lower power draw as the silicon gets thinner and thinner..... Gone are the days when GPU's used slightly more power than the Large Hadron Collider!

My i7 6700k overclocked an additional 600Mhz to 4.6Ghz (automatically with the ASUS Ai Suite utility - super easy!) - has a large fan and heat pipe aircooler only and the fan hardly ever ramps up during preview or render tasks with 4K material. My Windows Power profile is set to keep the CPU and GPU performance at 100%, to boot.

Peter

@PATIENT-X @Reyfox @Scenestealer @browj2 @johnebaker @AAProds

Hi Peter.

I think it is a 'taken' that CPUs can be overclocked although granted, some may not know. Some boards however allow overclocking of ram timings or some CPUs will not handle higher speed ram even if the motherboard can.

This was a mistake I made when I ordered a bundle of components that were cheaper than I could find shopping around for individual parts. I did not check, nor was I aware at the time that the i9-9900K could only handle up to 2666MHz and I had ordered 3200MHz ram. So the processor has now limited the ram speed to 2133MHz.

Which is a little disappointing.

Ray.

@CubeAce, getting parts yourself has gotten more complicated than way back in the past.... Ryzen was picky which RAM you could use when it was first introduced. Now, you can buy RAM that will work with Ryzen with no problem. BUT, you can get the same RAM that won't work because it's for Intel...