@Gid

Aha, so it does appear to be a bug with v239 - I think that's what your tests show anyway if I've read it correctly 😟. Thanks.

If a few more can confirm, then we all need to send a bug report.

If it is confirmed as a universal bug then it's potentially more catastrophic that the Neat Video bug Magix has just sorted as EVERY Magix user, be they using MS 2025 or VPX whatever, uses the autosave.

AndyW

@me_again Hard to say, I would expect not to get asked if I want to save the project when closing it if auto save is on..

I left that project open since my comment earlier (1½ hrs ago), I closed MMS so sort of recreating a crash, auto save is supposed to save you from such things, I chose Don't save (auto save should've been applied at some point in that 1½hrs surely). Nope.. the project as it was when first created.

I haven't used MMS for a couple of yrs for anything really, but it seems it's got more bugs than Worzel gummidge's hat.

@Gid @me_again

Hi Gid.

When you open a project it does not open on the last auto save but on your last manually 'saved' copy. So yes you should always save manually before closing a project or hunt for the last auto save. There are times when it is easier for me to not save a project I've altered if I wasn't happy with it and done too many alterations to 'undo'.

Ray.

@CubeAce

I do the same Ray BUT now the created autobackups disappear if you don't save before closing, and on reopening after a reboot, no autosaves occur at all.

And if you open a a pre-update project then that doesn't autoupdate at all.

That's my current experience anyway.

AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy

With patch .239, Autosave is working fine for me, with a new project and re-opening a pre .239 project (so far !).

. . . . If I open an existing pre-v239, there are no autosaves even after an hour or so . . . If I save the project under a new name, still no autosaves. Manual saves work as they should . . . .

This may seem a dumb question however, did you check the same folder as the project file was loaded from, and/or saved to, respectively?

@Gid

Hi Gid

. . . . Waited until it did the flashy saving thing again & opened a New Project, again it asked me if I wanted to save it - "But didn't you just save it for me?" . . .

It did not, the auto save created a backup copy of the project file, eg projectname_BAK0.MV_, you are being asked to save the project file, .MVP, overwriting the original after editing ie projectname.MVP

HTH

John EB

@CubeAce @johnebaker Hi, ok my misunderstanding, I've got used to Vegas's Live Save that does overwrite the project & as you say that's not always what you want so I don't have it turned on,

@me_again 

I do the same Ray BUT now the created autobackups disappear if you don't save before closing

Yep the bak file disappears if you don't click save when exiting the project.. (I didn't trim this capture so let it play)

@me_again

Hi Andy,

Using 24.0.1.239 and a project that was started with 233, I made a few changes, a couple of saves over 20 minutes then left it alone. I got backups every 10 minutes except between the second last and last, the computer went to sleep while I was out working hard snowshoeing with the dog, removing snow, and hauling in firewood. Lazy computer!

So, seemingly, no problem here.

@Gid @johnebaker

If you start a project off, give it a name but never save it and exit the program, then even if a backup is made, it will be deleted, as it should be. Is that what you are seeing? The logic is that if you didn't save the project in the first place, you don't need the backups.

If you save at least once, any automatic backups should remain. Thus, if you intend to keep the project, always do a save first to lock it in.

Note that even though you have given the project a name, when you save the first time, you will get the explorer window with your project name proposed by default. It is now up to you to save in the proposed folder with the project name, or select a different folder - my case 99.9% of the time as the default folder is ....\Projects but I use subfolders by subject.

Sometimes the proposed folder is not the default Projects folder, and you could end up saving to some entirely inappropriate location. It somehow goes out of whack for some reason that I have forgotten. I must watch for the cause of this.

@Gid

I haven't used MMS for a couple of yrs for anything really, but it seems it's got more bugs than Worzel gummidge's hat.

Really? My bug list is quite short and most users will never notice the bugs.

John CB

May not be related, but IMO the Autobackup has been partially borked for some time. Example: yesterday, project had been saved with a name previously. Tried to preview a clip and bang, the whole program disappeared in a flash.

Looked for the backup with File>Load Backup Project. Nothing available. Go into the folder holding the MVP, there are the backup files, last one done a few minutes before the crash. Changed name of the most recent backup file from MV_ to MVP, opened fine and I had most of my project back.

Richard (rffmars) always said: "Save Often!".

Thanks for looking at it. All I can say is "Hmmm"

AndyW

@AAProds

Hi Al

. . . . Richard (rffmars) always said: "Save Often!". . . .

A ststement I totally agree with and to which I would add 'and use versioning' ie adding a number at the project name as shown below on a little project i have been wroking on.

John EB

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . The logic is that if you didn't save the project in the first place, you don't need the backups. .. . .

That is not quite what I am seeing and IMHO the logic is more subtle.

If you do not save the project with a name, the Autosave.MV_ file remains, and contains the timeline content as was at the time of the last auto backup.

If you start a new project and do not add anything to the timeline, the Autosave.MV_ file can be loaded with content - you will see it in the Open project dialog as Unsaved project.

However as soon as you add content to a new project, whether you load the Unsaved project or not the next auto save will overwrite the Autosave.MV_

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

You're quite right. I forgot about that and usually just ignored it. That is most useful if one has forgotten to save and the program crashes or you just exit without saving...so long as you don't start another new project.

@AAProds

Hi Al,

Tried to preview a clip and bang, the whole program disappeared in a flash.

That is worrisome. I rarely get a crash, but when I do, it's after doing a fair amount of editing without saving and within the 10 minute autosave period. However, if I save more often during this period of doing editing, no crash. Again, I rarely have crashes.

Was that just a one-time event or have you been able to make it happen with other projects?

John CB

@browj2

Was that just a one-time event or have you been able to make it happen with other projects?

Funnily enough John, it just happened again a couple of minutes ago. It's when I'm in the Media Pool looking at files without putting them on the timeline (an unsaved project). I this instance, I tried to open a folder by Double-clicking it and bang, everything's gone. No crash reports, nothing, as though the program was never running.

I don't normally preview media pool files as much as I was in the crash instances, so I don't know if there is a lurking bug I haven't agitated or what.