@Reyfox Yeah but i can't render AVC 422 10bit, mine say either MP4 HEVC 10bit 420 or .MOV ProRes 422 (Bit Rate shows but no Bit Depth)

@Former user 

General
Complete name                            : E:\Vacations\Croatia 2021\Video\P1000737.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2011.07 (qt  /pana)
File size                                : 180 MiB
Duration                                 : 9 s 510 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 159 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 4:2:2@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=12
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 9 s 510 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 148 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 180 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.744
Stream size                              : 168 MiB (93%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-06-30 18:16:46
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-06-30 18:16:46
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC
 

@Reyfox Yep, i can't replicate that through any exporting/rendering/encoding devices i have, all my AVC render as 8bit 420, & .MOV MPEG-4 come out as 8bit.

This is the closest .mov i can do, that comes out as ProRes with no Bit Depth showing,

General
Complete name                            : D:\desk stuff\Nvidia screen capture\422.mov
Format                                   : QuickTime
Format/Info                              : Original Apple specifications
File size                                : 127 MiB
Duration                                 : 6 s 406 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 167 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52
Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : ProRes
Format version                           : Version 0
Format profile                           : 422
Codec ID                                 : apcn
Duration                                 : 6 s 406 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 165 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.655
Stream size                              : 126 MiB (99%)
Writing library                          : magx
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 6 s 406 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.17 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:20:52

And this is HEVC 10bit but it's 420, i have no option to make that 422,

General
Complete name                            : D:\desk stuff\Nvidia screen capture\hevc 10bit.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 11.5 MiB
Duration                                 : 6 s 406 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 15.1 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 6 s 406 ms
Bit rate                                 : 14.9 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.240
Stream size                              : 11.4 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 6 s 400 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 278 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 147 KiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-02-24 20:17:25

@Former user don't sweat it. It appears the MEP2022 can not handle my 10bit 422 4K MOV files. It's not the end of the world, But the thing is, there are a couple of other consumer editors that do handle these files with no problems. But they do not export in 10bit 422.

@Reyfox

Hi

. . . .  The thumbnails are VLC generated. But dragging the clips to the timeline results in black preview, but the audio plays back. . . .

The thumbnails are embedded in the video file header by the recording device - VLC is displaying them because it can decode the MOV file.

MEP 2022 pops up a message box saying Quicktime is not installed when I try to add MOV files from a Panasonic S5 which are the same format/codecs/bitdepth as the ones you are having issues with.

However there is a potential issue with QuickTime, which is obsolete as far as the Windows version is concerned, and if you have it installed it may be struggling to decode modern QT encoded video the video files.

John EB

@johnebaker I do have QT installed, but it's the last version that Apple had for Windows.

I have no problems with these files in a couple of other consumer editors. And of course, no problem with VPX and other more upscale editors importing these files.

Problem solved.

@johnebaker @Reyfox @Former user @AAProds

Does this then not have to be reported to Magix as a bug as the specs page says imports are supported and the program itself has it's own Magix based, import support module / codec/ whatever.

Ray.

@Reyfox, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi

What you have to remember is that MP4, MOV, MKV are container file formats, which can contain a variety of video and audio codecs.

It is these codecs that can be the issue, eg for the MOV file format

• h.264/AVC, h.265 video encoding with PCM or AAC encoded audio will import into MEP without the need for QT.
• JPEG, PNG encoded video require QT to be installed.
• Apple video formats, eg ProRes also require QT, however some may not be supported by the obsolete, 6 year old Windows version - this may be the issue with the G9 video files.

The above is not a complete list of the codecs that these container file formats can contain.

John EB

@johnebaker

John, the disappointing aspect of this that there are other "consumer editors" that can open these files, and even more irritating, VPX can do it, going by what Reyfox is saying.

Magix should qualify MOV compatibility on that chart.

@AAProds

Hi Al.

Do you know if the video editors that can cope with these files also have Mac software versions?

I agree it would be nice to have more information or at least an update or two now and then as variations come out almost monthly and can be very camera / phone specific.

It's not just video editors that get left behind. I have found the same problem with camera stills support with new to market cameras.

@CubeAce none of the video editors I use outside of Resolve, have a Mac version. Pinnacle Studio 25, Videostudio Pro 2022 are 2 consumer editors that import the files without issue. The more "upscale" editors that import with no problem that I have, VPX11, Vegas Pro 19, Resolve Studio 17, Hitfilm Pro 2021.3 all import with no issues.

Here is a LINK to my Google drive for a 145MB file that will not load in MEP, at least for me. If someone can d/l and verify, it would help. It's either my installation of MEP or it's "global" and is a bug, or intended to not import MOV 422 10bit 4K files from Panasonic cameras.

@johnebaker I understand containers/codecs, and it seems for the moment that MEP does not like 10bit 422 while an older version of VPX imports without issue.

@Reyfox

Hi.

The file will only play in VLC player on my machine. It is not supported natively within Win 10 by any of it's players on my machine. It does import into MEP but there is no sound or audio. This is not surprising for a 10 bit file on my machine. Even the playback within VLC player is very jerky.

Importing into VPX generated this warning and option.

So it is a separating feature of their higher end editor. As I have no need of an additional codec I ignore the upgrade and closed it. At that point the file loaded anyway. This time with no video but with audio.

I would imagine the free version of Resolve would open them as it is in the companies interest to have a free editor that can use their camera files. As for Magix, they have always charged extra for codecs they have to pay royalties on instead of supplying it within the program. They have always argued it is a way of keeping the core program costs down.

Ray.

@Reyfox Hi, VLC (free version) wouldn't play it, it just flickered & i had to kill it in Taskmanager, Windows Films & TV player wouldn't play it either, HitFilm Pro & Vegas loaded & played no prob, MEP just gave a blank

Just out of curiosity i tried in Boris's Silhouette & Mocha pro standalone versions, both loaded & were editable no prob,

.& Titler Pro 7 🤷‍♂️

Crashed and burned on that one! Got this message from VideoRedo:

@Former user I don't use VLC for these types of MOV files because of that reason. Also, a lot of content that I download for Busy Boxx or Digital Juice won't play back in VLC, so I use MPC-BE as a media player. Your screenshot of MEP2022 is the same that I get when dragging the clip to the timeline.

@CubeAce I never had to pay or activate anything VPX 11 and the files load properly. Maybe because I might have the codec in another editor? I don't know. My system specs in my sig. I have the paid version of Resolve 17 which handles the files wonderfully as does Vegas, Hitfilm Pro, Pinnacle Studio and Videostudio Pro.

I can understand keeping costs down, but a "pro" editor should be able to import almost anything. And now consumer editors will handle ProRes. I do shoot in 10bit 422, but not often.

As I said, it's not the end of the world. I was making sure I didn't do anything wrong, or have a bad install of the software.

@AAProds, @Reyfox, @CubeAce

Hi

. . . . Magix should qualify MOV compatibility on that chart. . . . .

Agreed the MEP specs should be the same formatting as for VPX where the formats are qualified - the 'common formats are single * under the Video formats column.

. . . . MEP does not like 10bit 422 while an older version of VPX imports without issue . . . .

This is one of the 'features' that differentiate between a prosumer and professional product, there are many others eg the Vectorscope, Waveform, RGB Parade and Histogram measuring instruments etc.

. . . . Importing into VPX generated this warning and option. . . . .

I was surprised, when testing with VPX 13 that the All-Intra codec is being requested, if you cancel the dialogue the video imports with no audio.

Testing with MEP 2021 and QT installed, I get a video object on the timeline, however it has a blank/black image, as shown in @Former user image above and no audio, which leads me to conclude that Quicktime is too old to decode this format.

I initially suspected that the S9 video was All-Intra encoded, similar to the clips I have from a GH 9 camera, however according to MediaInfo it is not All-Intra.

The GOP structure is M=1, N=12 where M represents the distance between two I or P frames, and N represents the distance between two I frames. In this case the video comprises of I and P frames only with the structure IPPPPPPPPPPPI.

The older version VPX importing the file correctly means that the All-Intra codec must be installed.

. . . . VLC (free version) wouldn't play it . . . .

The MOV file plays in my free VLC, though the pan is far from smooth - the pan rate appears to be just at the point where movements jerks badly. I believe this is due to the low framerate (24fps) which is a not good with pans (25/30 fps is marginally better, 50/60 fps a lot better).

John EB