key frame icons grayed out?

Ralph_S wrote on 7/1/2023, 1:50 AM

I am using VPX15, v21.0.1.193

The key frame icons I used to use to add or remove key frames are grayed out and I cannot effectively use the Camera/Zoom to zoom-in and move around an image or video like I used to. What am I missing?

Casual movie maker of vacations and adventure trips. VP X15, and several previous MEP versions.

Running: Windows 11 Home (10.0.22621 Build 22621), ASUSTeK 64b ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW, 16 GM RAM, Intel i9-12900H, 2500 Mhz; Intel Iris Xe Graphics(1GB, v31.0.101.4502); NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (1GB,v31.0.15.3667)

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johnebaker wrote on 7/1/2023, 2:21 AM

@Ralph_S

Hi

Click the KF item indicated by the arrow in the image below, the KF icons will then become active.

John EB
Forum Moderator

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Ralph_S wrote on 7/1/2023, 2:35 AM

@Ralph_S

Hi

Click the KF item indicated by the arrow in the image below, the KF icons will then become active.

John EB
Forum Moderator


@johnebaker

OMG, such a simple fix! I thought since it was checked that it was active. Thx, John.

Casual movie maker of vacations and adventure trips. VP X15, and several previous MEP versions.

Running: Windows 11 Home (10.0.22621 Build 22621), ASUSTeK 64b ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW, 16 GM RAM, Intel i9-12900H, 2500 Mhz; Intel Iris Xe Graphics(1GB, v31.0.101.4502); NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (1GB,v31.0.15.3667)

Turkana wrote on 1/14/2024, 3:58 PM

Cześć John,
nie mogę przesunąć klatki kluczowej w punkcie „x”. Zwykle możliwe jest przesunięcie „y”. Animuję zdjęcie w formacie png.
Masz jakiś pomysł? Widziałem Twoją wskazówkę z 1 lipca 2023 r., ale w moim przypadku nie działa.
Pozdrawiam -
Ryszard

Turkana wrote on 1/14/2024, 3:59 PM

Hi John
I can't move the keyframe at "x". A shift in "y" is normally possible. I am animating a photo in png format.
Do you have any idea? I saw your tip from July 1, 2023, but it doesn't work for me.
Regards -
Richard

AAProds wrote on 1/14/2024, 6:43 PM

@Turkana

If you're using Camera/Zoomshot with a later version of MMS, to get the whole effect going, you may need to activate the Size/Position/Rotation effect first. You don't need to do anything with it, just get it activated so that it appears in the keyframe editor as shown in JohnEB's images above. Then you'll be able to use Camera Zoomshot.

CZS changed a couple of versions ago; previously, the "add keyframe" button became active as soon as the effect was activated, a much simpler method IMO. I still haven't worked out the logic of the new procedure.

Last changed by AAProds on 1/14/2024, 7:11 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Turkana wrote on 1/14/2024, 7:59 PM

Thank you very much for your willingness to help, but the problem goes deeper. I did an experiment.
Exactly the same photo with background and in .jpg format - it moves and enlarges without any problems. After removing the background and saving as .png - it stops working. The phenomenon is repeatable.

AAProds wrote on 1/14/2024, 9:00 PM

@Turkana

OK, I misunderstood what you're doing. Could you post your PNG on Google Drive, Dropbox or some other file-sharing site so we can investigate.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

AAProds wrote on 1/14/2024, 9:10 PM

@Turkana

I've just created a PNG with a clear background and Magix (at least Movie Studio) Camera Zoomshot deals with it with no issues; I am able to crop/pan across it. The clear background comes out black, which, I expect, could be chroma-keyed out but I have no expertise in that area.

Could you explain this in more detail:

I can't move the keyframe at "x". A shift in "y" is normally possible. I am animating a photo in png format.

Thanks!

Last changed by AAProds on 1/14/2024, 10:56 PM, changed a total of 2 times.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Former user wrote on 1/14/2024, 10:14 PM

Thank you very much for your willingness to help, but the problem goes deeper. I did an experiment.
Exactly the same photo with background and in .jpg format - it moves and enlarges without any problems. After removing the background and saving as .png - it stops working. The phenomenon is repeatable.

@Turkana Hi, I don't understand this?

I presume you mean it is the same photo as the png you tried in the coment before,?

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it moves and enlarges without any problems.

I presume that is using Camera/Zoom Shot?

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After removing the background

What background, is that a video or image of your own or one of Magix - Template backgrounds?

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and saving as .png

Saving what as png? You can only 'Save' the project as .MVP. To 'save' as a png it has to be exported as png.

I'm presuming there's your jpg/png somewhere on the screen & if it's 'moving' I'm guessing it's not it's orig full size?

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- it stops working.

What stops working? The project image on the timeline that you removed the background from won't move anymore? Or the Exported png doesn't moved when played?. png's are still images/photos.

 

 

 

Turkana wrote on 1/15/2024, 6:15 AM

Once again, I would like to thank both gentlemen for their willingness to help.
I will describe the situation in detail.
1) Generally, I make a project in 1920x1080 resolution, 30fps.
2) On the first time track I placed a .jpg 4000x3000 photo
7 sec long Of course, we see part of this photo on the screen. 3) I animate this photo using keyframes. Specifically:
- I increase it by about 20%
- I move along the diagonal to the right and down (about 1000 pixels)
4) I want to highlight one of the elements of this animated photo of approximately 100x100 pixels because it is blurry and unclear.
5) For this purpose, I cut out the detail I am interested in 100x100 from another photo (similar in theme but of good quality) and export it as a png. I prepare it using GIMP,
6) I load the prepared png photo into the Magix project and place it on the second time track.
To ensure synchronization of images from both time tracks, I also need to animate the png photo on the second time track.
And this is where the problem described above arises. Is this some kind of magic?
Note: If we return to point 5) and export the same 100x100 detail from GIMP but with a uniform background (black, white, etc.) as a jpg, the photo animation is possible and synchronized with the animation of the first time track. Of course in this case I have to remove the background in Magix (Effects/Chroma Key/Color/etc).

Former user wrote on 1/15/2024, 7:07 AM

@Turkana Thanks for explaining that but - 'And this is where the problem described above arises', What problem?, I didn't understand your earlier comment - 'After removing the background and saving as .png - it stops working.' so I don't fully understand this added info,

I understand most, (There's a button at the top of a comment with 1--- & 2--- above each other, that does this -. )

  1. Add a jpg to track 1,
  2. Animate the jpg,
  3. 'I want to highlight one of the elements of this animated photo of approximately 100x100 pixels because it is blurry and unclear.'.. I don't know what that means, Highlight?
  4. Prepare an image in GIMP, '100x100 from another photo'.. not sure what you're doing there? It sounds like you're selecting a piece of another image to replace the blurry bit of the orig.
  5. Add the png to Track 2,
  6. '......... also need to animate the png photo on the second time track.' - yep 👍
  7. 'And this is where the problem described above arises' 🤷‍♂️ Again i ask what problem, what stops working?

Note: If we return to point 5) and export the same 100x100 detail from GIMP but with a uniform background (black, white, etc.) as a jpg, the photo animation is possible and synchronized with the animation of the first time track. Of course in this case I have to remove the background in Magix (Effects/Chroma Key/Color/etc).

So you can animate a jpg? but you can't animate a png with a transparent background?

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I added a jpg & a png to a project , then i was able to sync the movements of both with no problem using Copy & Paste Video effects.

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You can upload pics & video using the arrow key next to the smile at the top of a new comment.

johnebaker wrote on 1/15/2024, 7:35 AM

@Turkana

Hi Richard

Is this something like what you are trying to achieve, maybe including total remove of the darkened area?

If not then can you post an example of the final effect you are trying to achieve.

John EB
Forum Moderator

Last changed by johnebaker on 1/15/2024, 7:36 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Turkana wrote on 1/15/2024, 5:33 PM

My English is bad and I'm bad at explaining my problem. The effect I wanted to achieve is shown in the clip:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hklbk4kxg524u8zcxo1hd/Anchises-Aphrodisia.mp4?rlkey=q28g39lfsr4cck1xjxsq51vgy&dl=0
Thanks for your interest, but I don't know what to say because I'm embarrassed.
I restarted Magix and it didn't change anything.
This morning I turned on my computer and everything works.
Best regards from Poland
Richard