I tried going into the folder but i dont know what to delete?

@Ollyy It is likely the "MusicMaker" text file. You cannot see the "ini" file externsion because it is not enabled. Click the View tab in File Explorer. Click the box next to File name extensions to see file extensions.

Thank you so much!
I tried deleting the file and I was able to update the program to a newer patch without it crashing as well

Works swell! Thank you :)

Hello! I'm running into the freezing / extreme slowdown issue and I think I've exhausted what I know. Sorry in advance for very lengthy, I hope this isn't excessive background, I want to give comprehensive info in case anyone recognized a possibility! :)

I've run versions from 2016 or 2017 up to 2021 with no issues, on older hardware. Nothing special, didn't even know to use ASIO drivers let alone tune latency. This was on a Win7/64, then a Win10/64 system, both clean builds. The Win10/64 system is an ASUS Z-370A-Prime with an i7-8800K (6-core / 12-thread at about 4.2GHz, water cooled, stays very cool, 32GB of G.Skill DDR4-3200 RAM at about 3.8GHz).

Immediately on upgrade to MM 2022 64-bit, everything froze. You could see it pegging out and stalling in Task Manager. I worked with that with minor changes from the week it came out until 2023 came out last month. Built a newer, even more powerful Windows 11/64 PC, ASUS Z590-E with Intel Core i7-11700K / 8-core / 12-thread at around 4.8GHZ, even better water cooling, same memory specs:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212047/intel-core-i711700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html

Bought and installed 2023 on the new box, which is so fast it's practically sentient. MM still took minutes to load, adding a track could take 10-15 minutes. A little faster because of the even more overkill hardware, but nowhere near usable. Weird! Found more suggestions here!

The video card for the last two builds has been a Gigabyte GeForce 1070Ti, pulls frame rates in the 100s-200s with everything on in fairly modern games. It has the latest WHQL drivers from late June 2022, BUT - that is something I hadn't considered before - I now run 2x 4K monitors instead of 2x 2K, so I tried dropping one down for it from 3840 x 2160 to 1920 x 1080 (opening on that screen). It had some minor impact, but only shaving something down from 10min to 8min which should take a second or two... Idk what else I might be able to tweak?

I tried deleting the MusicMaker.ini file, and that got a little bit of improvement. DL'd the latest patch and installed. Still super super slow.

I tried different audio drivers, including the Realtek ASIO for the onboard audio - meh. Switching to any ASIO made an improvement (Magix Low Latency 2016, Music Maker ASIO, or Realtek ASIO). Found that 1024 (around 18-20ms?) was a good 'enough' point for latency and to get straight playing okay.

Most current state: You can play a project, but it will take 10 seconds for the green vertical chase bar to even start, editing is pretty much a non-starter. Delays of 20-30sec minimum trying to insert a section.

Any ideas are greatly appreciated :^)

Thanks!

- Daniel
 

@Daniel-Hoff This is very likely a driver issue. For example, I cannot get Kontakt to run on my system if I use the newest Nvidia GeForce drivers. It just freezes. I have to use older drivers. Took me about two weeks to find this out. Even the Native Instruments support wasn't able to find this cause and they scanned my system (also a complete new install like your systems).

So I would suggest you try different drivers for your hardware, especially different graphics driver versions.

@Daniel-Hoff This is very likely a driver issue. For example, I cannot get Kontakt to run on my system if I use the newest Nvidia GeForce drivers. It just freezes. I have to use older drivers. Took me about two weeks to find this out. Even the Native Instruments support wasn't able to find this cause and they scanned my system (also a complete new install like your systems).

So I would suggest you try different drivers for your hardware, especially different graphics driver versions.

It makes sense because I had all those revs 2018-2021 work great on the Win10/64 - Core i7-8800 hardware... but somewhere in there, when I wasn't sequencing a lot, there are two changes which were most likely to overlap. Moving from a an EVGA GeForce GTX-9800 VC to the Gigabyte GeForce 1070Ti, and installing Music Maker 2022.

Thanks for a good idea to try, I'll see if I can find some legacy drivers on Gigabyte's or Nvidia's site. Since this isn't even primary gaming rig, maybe the on-chip Intel video would do.

Dan

@Daniel-Hoff

Hi

. . . . Since this isn't even primary gaming rig, . . .

Assuming you do no gaming or have a game(s) which does not require a high spec GPU:

. . . . the on-chip Intel video would do. . . .

This would require you to plug the monitor into the onboard graphics output to activate the UHD 630 integrated GPU.

If you have dual monitors then the main monitor should be plugged into the onboard graphics output - this is the way I have my PC setup running.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

@Daniel-Hoff

Hi

. . . . Since this isn't even primary gaming rig, . . .

Assuming you do no gaming or have a game(s) which does not require a high spec GPU:

. . . . the on-chip Intel video would do. . . .

This would require you to plug the monitor into the onboard graphics output to activate the UHD 630 integrated GPU.

If you have dual monitors then the main monitor should be plugged into the onboard graphics output - this is the way I have my PC setup running.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

(Full details on rig / setup / use are above in my message from 8/5/22 at 10:52am)

I've gone through several more iterations in an attempt to improve the extreme (10-20x) slowdown and skipping using MusicMaker 2023 premium.

These are the new things I've tried:

- Randomly plowing through different audio drivers, but mostly MM Low Latency ASIO

- Using one monitor at a time

- Dropping monitors down to 2K from 4K

- Switching to the on-chip Intel video for simplicity, no change with that

- New video and mfr, to an MSI GeForce 2060 with current drivers, no change with that

- Airplane mode to eliminate the WiFi6 drivers

- Disabled the RealTek on-board audio, replaced with Creative Soundblaster Audigy FX, audio quality improvement but again no MM2023 performance change.

- Renaming the MusicMaker.ini file after some changes

I much appreciate the thoughts and advice on this, but it is puzzling! I'm not sure what direction to go with it!

Many thanks to all for anything else. Dying to make use of all the Soundbanks and VSTs, etc. I just need to find the magic combo... 😄

Dan

@Daniel-Hoff Some users reported that it helps to disable the text cursor indicator in Windows 11

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/turn-on-or-off-text-cursor-indicator-in-windows-11.5796/

@Daniel-Hoff Some users reported that it helps to disable the text cursor indicator in Windows 11

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/turn-on-or-off-text-cursor-indicator-in-windows-11.5796/

Woow! Okay, I was skeptical bc I had the problem under Win10/64 first (dk if it supports text cursor customizing), but that made a noticeable change in responsiveness, just playing a project back...! Loading and controls didn't stall, and the red playing-progress line was smoother. I'll dig in and see if the creating functions get a similar boost, but that's clearly noticeable. Thank you!!

Dan