Hi.
The graphics card must be using a Turing architecture or newer now for any of the newer versions of Magix software to work with hardware acceleration. Also it is better now to use the game ready driver.
Ray.
@Cube yeah im using a 3070ti laptop with latest game ready driver, when rendering it uses my gpu but not when using effects or for playback
That's a good card, much better than my own.
Both VPX 14 and MS 2023 are quite resource hungry and the minimum specs on the website should be fully implemented for best performance and experience. It may read as an Intel or nvidia AMD / GPU but in reality should be read as Intel with AMD or nvidia graphics card as an internal GPU to a CPU does quite a hit of work as well and can cause playback or rendering problems without the benefit of one although that normally shows as a slowdown rather than something not being correctly rendered.
Here is the resources being used in one of my typical projects that equally apply to VPX and MS.
You can see the workload being split up depending on what is happening on the timeline.
One thing that may help is setting up Windows for the program.
Have you tried the following?
That may help or if not try the power mode.
Setting the program settings to use the nvidia card for all the Import, Processing, and Export tasks will make no difference to the Windows settings and may help improve things.
If you still have problems you could load a clip from the drone to Google drive and put the link here for us to try out to see if we have the same problems.
Ray.
@CubeAce Yeah so it runs smooth without effects and uses my cpu for playback
adding a detail enhancer effect uses more cpu
Adding a heavy effect such as noise reducer completely stalls the program altogether and constant lag.
in fact for the past 5 min I have been trying to remove the noise removal effect but it crashed
(BTW the network usage is me downloading a game on my other drive but this issue is there regardless
Testing with an unrealistic amount of processing effects, Sharpen maxed, Add noise Maxed, Speed x4 in reverse, my CPU maxes out. My GPU isn't being utilized here
Hi.
Yes some OFX plugin effects tend to use the CPU for processing rather than the GPU and a lot of system ram. I have had up to 24GBs or more of system ram in use using just one OFX plugin. (Boris FX Titler.)
Has your laptop got a 4K HDR monitor?
Even if it has, you could try turning off these two settings which would reduce the load on your system quite a bit while running the program.
Doing that will not decrease the export quality.
Also did you try choosing 'Let Windows decide'? That setting may reduce the risk of crashing the program.
Ray.
@CubeAce yeah i set it to let windows decide after i screen shotted it my main monitor is set to full range 10bit colour but not got HDR active however is capable. I tried using a titler and yeah that was just not running well too, i think the main issue is its not using as much of my gpu as it could be using for playback i have 32gb ddr5 ram and like 15gb shared vram
As far as I can tell the OFX plugins don't touch vram but use reserved ram on the motherboard. No idea why.
As I said, some effects just don't use the nvidia or an AMD GPU but do seem to benefit from an inboard Intel or AMD GPU. Again no idea why. Often my nvidia 1650 Super is only working at 35 to 47% and using only 2GBs of vram but the Intel HD 630 is using 14GBs of motherboard ram and also running at about 47% at the same time. They seem to swap duties between 3D rendering and video encoding at random moments. A lot is dependent on the effects in use at the time or sometimes it is just the type fade used.
Another thing that can slow down the system is reading and writing to the same drive at the same time.
Also if you haven't updated your graphics driver this month do so from the nvidia site.
Ray.
As a test, run one of your drone files through Handbrake to re-encode it, then use that file in Movie Studio.
You haven't said what your computer details are; I only have an i5 and if I apply Neat Video to a clip my machine almost stops.
You could also try using proxy files:
Open a new movie, hit key E, tick the Proxy files box then OK back to the timeline, then import your drone file. It will take a while to import but might work faster when you apply those effects.
Hi Al.
Liam has said a 32GB laptop running an nvidia 3070ti. That makes the processor at least an i11- or newer of AMD equivalent. Laptops sporting nvidia 30 series chips and above normally spec out to i7 or i9 processors or higher. But it is a laptop which could mean just using the one drive or the additional drive, if external, does not have a large enough cache or is fast enough or it could be just the lack of an additional GPU.
Liam is also using a DJI drone of which could be producing 10 bit files. If that is the case he is going to need a much more powerful machine.
Ray.
Yeah i have newest drviers and i have an i7 12700h 14 core cpu 8 efficiency cores and 6 performance cores, i have 2 m.2 1tb gen 4 drives.
And before i had a desktop with 32gb 3200 5800x and a 3080 and was the same.
I use proxy files, i currently have my laptop set to dgpu mode i have tried hybrid and use hybrid for rendering otherwise it doesn't use hardware acceleration. I will set it to hybrid and take a look at the performance again. I do think that It wouldn't be smooth playback with a tiler or noise removal anyway because when rendering it renders at about 0.4fps and that is using my gpu but not constantly so surely it wouldn't be able to play back with these same settings applied ?
Would either of you be able to show a video of your playback with something like a titler.
@AAProds you say your machine almost stops with the neat noise remover i have the trial and to be honest i wish i had the full version but need to pay the £130 for 4k but yeah the same happens to me.
I think it's the main gpu not being utilized for example with a titler it's just text but the effect isn't being powered by the gpu so the program slows down for the effect to be calculated but overall it freezes and hangs because its not using anywhere near as much resources cpu and gpu wise as it could be. It's like when it slows down or freezes it doesn't pull more power it just stays using a merely 7% - 15% when the program needs more processing power its barely working at this point.
I wonder if the resources manager for the program slows down with it so it just starts failing or its a sort of pile on so the process that handles the system allocation suffocates
{i obviously dont know what i am talking about here}
But i do notice that when applying the proccess priority to high or realtime in real manager it speeds up a bit.
Hi Liam.
Since the beginning of November Microsoft have being playing around with how text is interpreted and displayed within Windows 10 and 11 and has reeked havoc on some applications and as far as I'm aware is still an ongoing process along with sql server updates so the faults may not all be at the foot of Magix. Microsoft now thinks the problems are fixed but who knows if some programs or the windows alterations now need further updates or not? There have been a few Net.framework updates as well. All as far as I'm aware are used within the program somewhere.
Standard text is not much of a problem but using a text editor like the New Blue Pro Titler or Boris FX Titler can be.
I have had to split the videos up so the site can play them.
Note the Intel HD 630 is sometimes given tasks to do that is not handled by the nvidia GPU. What happens where and when depends heavily on the tasks at hand. I have never been able to figure out the specifics.
Ray.
Yeah so this looks similar to mine as it is barely using your system to render / processes playback and the program itself slows down, i will hop on my computer and get a video
@CubeAce
runs smooth and fine with base video and utilizes cpu well
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adding newblue titler slows it down similar to yours
adding a noise remover significantly reduces it further and slows the program
adding a few more slows it down to a halt and ends up crashing, stops responding or just takes up to 40 seconds for each mouse action sometimes selecting priority higher helps with lesser effects but with these ones in the last video the cpu usage goes down lower and just seems to be bottlenecked by something.
Note my gpu usage is high on OBS for recording and higher than i would like i didn't expect it to take 75% of my gpu it usually doesn't but however it is video encoding not much actual processing power, and also i am on dgpu
Hi.
When working on projects that need a lot doing to them it is useful to have a planned workflow.
First all the clips should be laid out in order and cut to how you want the finished video to look.
That can include using PiP or movement cross-fades etc. Only then add any colour grading or titling. I will often do my titling separately and import it as a video file as it is less stressful on the system. If the clips are on different tracks, solo the track you are on so the program is not trying to read those tracks at the same time. When you have finished with one clip disable the effects used on that clip by un-ticking the relevant box in the key frame editor. That will keep the settings for that clip. You can enable them all once you are finished. If you want to look at a section to see how it will export you can pre-render that section but if you alter anything you will have to delete the pre-render to see the alterations and then re apply the pre-render after. When you have finished all the adjustments you can pre-render the whole project if you wish but for the amount of time it may take you may as well just export the project and see what the finished video looks like.
Movement of clips or resizing them doesn't tax the system by much but altering the tone or colour or sharpness can be very processor intensive.
If you have drone footage shot at 59.97fps or 29.97 fps then in the movie settings change the project to exactly 30 or 60fps. You will be surprised at the difference that will make to the final smoothness of the export. Why? I have no idea but it works.
Yes OBS is an added burden.
Ray.
How are you able to do all that in the video lol omg.
Yeah this method sounds good ie changing the effects and then unticking view until render, only thing is rendering takes infinitely longer with these effects.
Hi Liam.
Editing is neither fast or easy. Even when I edit photos, often each image is taken using using different camera settings so needs individual processing. I never batch process anything. I also take care to get the images, stills or video as good as I can in camera so I can do less in post. Less exposure problems, less camera shake etc. Taking the time to not shoot into the sun too often or having unwanted items in the corners of the frame. Difficult to achieve when faced with an opportunistic moment but with practice gets a little easier to think faster. The more you go out and do, the easier it gets. The longer the break between shoots the harder it is to get back into the groove of it.
If I needed noise reduction for instance, I may set that up to render the clips overnight to the best quality I could and then use those in the project rather than try to use that plugin within the project on the original files. Thankfully that doesn't happen often but does happen. Magix editors are renowned for not being the fastest at exporting but they are possibly the most stable with least crashes when pushed. That may explain why the GPUs are seldom overly pushed.
Render times really depend on the hardware mix. Being able to read the specs page properly and realising the advertising men will put the best spin on it they can helps. Why do they mention two GPUs as being optimum with one being a part of the processor and why not below a certain generation of GPU? Why the notice at the top of the page that reads
'All MAGIX programs are developed with user-friendliness in mind so that all the basic features run smoothly and can be fully controlled, even on low-performance computers.
So they have already excluded anything that is a supplied third party effect thrown in and only included the base program.
Some advanced program features demand more of your computer's processing power. To get the most from these features, your system should at least meet all the recommended requirements.
I added the all as I know they way they think I was in the advertising side of things a long time ago and I know how they tell truths.
The technical data for your computer can be found in the control panel of your operating system.
Now they have placed the onus on you, the customer because computers are too complex and too varied for any one company to test all combinations of systems.
Even then mistakes happen and I've made plenty.
For instance I have 32GB of 3200MHz ram but because I chose an i9 processor over an i7 processor thinking that more processing cores would be better, my ram is stuck with a top processing speed of 2133MHz even though the motherboard would have allowed even faster clock speeds had I put in an i7 processor. If I had waited and saved a bit more for my graphics card I could have had more vram and a wider bus. Wider buses allow for more data to be passed back and forth per clock cycle and hence faster. SSDs are not always faster than a standard SATA mechanical drive with a large cache at delivering large files (over 2GBs) to the program. Placing project files on the C: drive rather than a separate drive means an awful lot of read and write cycles going on as the C: drive is also used by the program to create temp files ready for the next bit of data to be processed. Placing the files on the desktop is even worse as the desktop is a protected area of the drive and takes longer to read from.
Ray.