When i edit a video and i add clips to it, when it passes the time of about 2 minutes, it starts lagging very hard.

Is it because i have a bad processor? For example, selecting a clip makes it load like 5 seconds and cutting a clip takes 10 seconds after the video reaches 2 minutes.

@wenche-Lasanen

This topic is about the latest patch for Video Pro X, please do not hijack another users or Magix post.

Post your question as a new topic in the forum - please read this topic and include all the information mentioned there.

Thanks

John EB

Forum moderator

13. Still missing in action is the new feature:

Object extraction: Exactly like you'd imagine.
Video Pro X's new object extraction algorithm makes it possible to recognize
and extract objects from videos. Magix, where is this?

This is referring to tweaks to the Chroma Key effect, and specifically the addition of the Antispill slider to the Green, Blue screen selection.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

I just remembered that you mentioned the above and I don't think so. Here is what is on the web site: "It works! Object extraction Exactly like you'd imagine. Video Pro X's new object extraction algorithm makes it possible to recognize and extract objects from videos. Plus, the reliable antispill feature for removing green edges can now also be used in template mode. Chroma keying at its best!"

I am assuming that the tweaks to the Chroma Key effect that you mention, "the addition of the Antispill slider to the Green, Blue screen selection" cover the second sentence, not the part in bold. I want to extract objects from videos with this, not tweak the image against a green screen.

The only thing that I can think of is the mask generator. See this tutorial by John EB:

https://www.magix.info/us/tutorials/using-the-mask-generator-to-replace-the-background-of-a-video-clip--1208374/

But that still does not satisfy the way that Magix wrote about Object Extraction. I wish that Magix would explain, so I'm keeping it on the list.

Today, I received an announcement from prodad about Erazr. I want this! But not at 400 USD.

https://www.prodad.com/Video-editing-and-modification/ERAZR-V1-59028,l-us.html

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

I am assuming that the tweaks to the Chroma Key effect that you mention, "the addition of the Antispill slider to the Green, Blue screen selection" cover the second sentence, not the part in bold. I want to extract objects from videos with this, not tweak the image against a green screen.

I don't agree. on the sales page under "What's new" both of those paragraphs are under a large bold heading "OPTIMISED! Chroma Keying".

I got the Erazr mail as well. Uber cool! That must have some serious processing going on under the hood. I want it too but not at USD 400.....and that is the special discounted deal! Maybe Magix will do a deal with them to offer it as a plugin for VPX/MEP in future.....

Peter

@Scenestealer @johnebaker

Today, I received an announcement from prodad about Erazr. I want this! But not at 400 USD

Ditto, a thousand times over!

Jeff

@Scenestealer, @browj2, @emmrecs

Hi

It is certainly impressive, however at that price I would have expected the capability to remove cables - see the Matterhorn video.

Wonder if there is the capability to remove reflections as seen in the Matterhorn video?

John EB

Hi.

Regarding my previous comment about stability.. I am not sure but I think that I have noticed application crashes when Google Chrome was open (HW acceleration disabled on Chrome) with 10+ tabs open. My computer memory usage have been >70%. Could it be that GPU memory allocation fails (VPX complains when CPU cannot allocate memory) and then VPX simply crashes without warning?

I will now use VPX temporarily with GPU features (export, playback & effects calculation) off and see if there is difference on operation.

br,

Erkki

@erkki.salonen

Google Chrome was open (HW acceleration disabled on Chrome) with 10+ tabs open

I have to say I would never consider having that number of Chrome tabs open whilst simultaneously needing to edit with VPX. I think that is a recipe for creating potential problems of app stability!

Personally, I would open a browser alongside VPX only if I needed to access something specific to use with the app, and leave it open only as long as absolutely necessary.

Just my opinion..!! 😀

Jeff

Ditto that Jeff.

Ss

Hi John

I am assuming that the tweaks to the Chroma Key effect that you mention, "the addition of the Antispill slider to the Green, Blue screen selection" cover the second sentence, not the part in bold. I want to extract objects from videos with this, not tweak the image against a green screen.

I don't agree. on the sales page under "What's new" both of those paragraphs are under a large bold heading "OPTIMISED! Chroma Keying".

I got the Erazr mail as well. Uber cool! That must have some serious processing going on under the hood. I want it too but not at USD 400.....and that is the special discounted deal! Maybe Magix will do a deal with them to offer it as a plugin for VPX/MEP in future.....

Peter

 

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

Nope, they are separate things. I received a reply from Magix and the new feature is Chromakey "Color." It works to a certain extent, not as good as Magix makes out, but it does create the mask. Try it out. However, it seems to do the inverse as to what Magix shows.

See below. I placed the rectangle over the dog. Unfortunately, the tree have the same or similar colour as the dog's fur. When I scrub, the mask is on the dog (and the trees).

Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

John CB

@johnebaker

Re point 5 on my list: NB OFX Effects giving black screen: has this been resolved for you? I can't reproduce it and Magix would like more information.

Anyone else?

Thanks,

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . NB OFX Effects giving black screen . . . .

This issue has not been resolved for me.

What information is required by Magix?

John EB

@johnebaker

A video would be good, showing each of the video modes.

Thanks,

John CB

@browj2

Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Yep. What you are activating is the "Colour" feature that has been there from many versions of VPX/MEP. It will make transparent anything you drag the marquee over, within the range of colours inside the box.

I do not have VPX10 installed so I can not check, but as it reads "the addition of the Antispill slider to the Green, Blue screen selection" my guess is that they have added the antispill slider to the "Green, Blue" selection option, whereas it only existed in the Colour option in earlier versions, plus have tweaked the algorithms to give more control and a cleaner edge.

Re point 5 on my list: NB OFX Effects giving black screen: has this been resolved for you? I can't reproduce it

I see this from time to time in recent versions and I think it is a bit GPU / New Blue specific. I am suspicious that AMD cards are better at Open GL rendering which New Blue is heavy on. I think you have an AMD card in your desktop?

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

I will question Magix again about the "Colour" feature. Yes, there is an antispill slider with Colour, but nothing seems to happen when I use it. Also, what I want is the inverse of what it does. I want the object, the dog in my case, to stay and the background to become transparent, like it the example on Magix.com

I don't have this problem anymore with NB effects, but John EB still has it.

John CB

Update to the list of problems: Magix has been working on these. Below is more or less what they said, comments in italics are mine:

1. Icons: This is a problem and actually our developers didn't know that. It will be fixed so thank you for this hint. 

2. See 1. 

3. Link to folder for XAR: Unfortunately this has been removed so this is no bug. (Solution - make your own folder)

4. External audio editor: Magix has created a bug entry for this. Again, thank you for this hint. The problem will be
fixed.  

5. NewBlue OFX: Could you please send me a video of this situation and also check if the problem occurs in each video mode? (John EB to prepare a video.)

6. Multicam: This is a complicated one. Actually, these problems have already been fixed, but they still occur sporadically. It is very difficult to reproduce these problems. We probably haven't been able to eliminate all the causes yet and have to take a closer look at the problems again. The bugs are now definitely known to us. 

7. Scroll bar: This seems to be a bug. Our product owner will check your video.  

8. Hitfilm: Could you please send me a video of this problem, too? (Done - will be addressed probably early next year.)

9. Solved

10. External Audio files not saved: The whole feature is unfortunately very outdated and nothing has been done on it for a long time so there are problems with newer version. This was mentioned at the meeting yesterday and noted. 

11. Bug entry, these problems could be replicated.

12. See 11. 

13. Object extraction is part of the Chroma key effect. When you use the Chroma Key effect you can select the mode "Color". Now you can select a desired range within your video or photo and this will extract the selected
color from your video or photo object. (I will follow up as this does not seem to do what is shown on the web site.) 

14. User Manual:: Actually there is currently only one person who is working on the manuals for each program. This is why it takes some time until the manuals are up to date. But next year we will get reinforcements
and then that should not be a problem anymore. (It would probably be helpful if the community submitted any known issues with the manual. There is so much information in the manual that it would be hard for Magix or anyone else to find all errors or omissions.)

15. Problem is already known. 

16. 3D Title bug: Will be fixed in version 16.0.2.306.

17.  Could you please send me a screenshot of the error message? This doesn't have to be a general problem. (I have trouble replicating the problems that I had with moving titles around causing crashes and I told Magix to put this one on the back-burner until someone can replicate the problem consistently. I haven't had it happen again after the first day of testing.)

18. Knoll Light Factory: Bug entry created.

19. Solved. 

20. Problem is already known. 

21. Problem replicated a bug entry created. It also occurred with Photo & Graphic Designer. 

22. We will restore the Retry button. Bug entry created for this and also for the additional problem with strange
recording behaviour. As mentioned, we could replicate this. Thank you for this hint. 

EDIT:

Here are a couple more that I submitted to Magix.

23. Titles: Some users are having trouble applying colour and font changes to parts of the text in titles. We have checked this and two users have the problem, two or three do not. Here is a link to the thread and the particular one with a video showing the problem.

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/vpx-problem-with-rotation-horizon-levelling--1218402/?page=1#ca1428696

24. Samplitude Pro X3 to VPX: I was going to raise a ticket on the Samplitude side, but the problem is likely with VPX and may be linked to the external editor problems. Samplitude has a feature under File, Export, Export to Video Pro X. It does a mixdown, saves the file and opens VPX if not opened. However, the audio file does not come onto the timeline. I think that I checked this using an older version, VPX 7, and it worked fine, so the problem is with VPX 10.

John CB

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . Yes, there is an antispill slider with Colour, but nothing seems to happen when I use it . . .

Works here removing the colour (green in my test image) reflection from blonde hair - if there is no reflection in the image then you will see nothing happen.

Here is a quick example - observe the white coat as the Antispill slider is moved

HTH

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Yes, antispill works with the colour Green, but I am talking about the "Color" button higher up. This is the one that masks the dog in my image, also the trees.

I am wondering if this Color effect is not the inverse of what Magix shows in the publicity. My understanding is that one can take a moving object and isolate it from the background. What do you all understand from the following image (and the first line of text)? This cannot just be the guy filmed against a green screen. My assumption is that the guy is extracted from the image and put on a green background - "makes it possible to recognize and extract objects from videos."

John CB

Why cant speed key frames be edited with bezier handles? I would pay for that, it would be so awesome.. Sorry if this is already explained in somewhere.

Hi John

. . . . antispill works with the colour Green, but I am talking about the "Color" button higher up . . . .

After further testing Antispill works with both the Stamp and Color buttons, the only difference between Stamp and Color is as follows:

Stamp - has a generic set of colours plus Alpha and Water, the colours being the standard 'green screen shades' available commercially as green screen backgrounds.

Color - specifically allows you to select the colour range that should transparent - all colours in the video/image matching the selected area will go transparent which is what is happening with the dog and trees - appears not to work with a solid colour.

. . . . if this Color effect is not the inverse of what Magix shows in the publicity . . . .

Not as I see and interpret it. I do think the example given is a poor one and is meant to show the extra 'clarity' achieved when using the Antispill control.

A better example would have been like this

I had to use MEP for this as I only have VPX 10.

Interesting note - I reloaded the MEP 2019 project back into 2016 and the Antispill slider appeared in the Chromakey dialog !!!!

Green screen plates used for testing were from www.hollywoodcamerawork.com

HTH

John EB

@johnebaker

Thanks for the extra tests on the Chroma Keying. I agree with what you have understood.

I did a similar test using MEP2019 and 2016. In 2019 the Antispill control shows up in the Stamp mode after selecting the Green or Blue button which I presume is how it now works in VPX10 V304. In 2016 it only shows in the Colour Mode which is what it has always done so I can not quite see how opening a 2019 project would make it appear in Stamp mode. Are you sure it didn't just switched back to Colour mode because that was the last setting you made before saving with 2019 open?

@browj2

I am wondering if this Color effect is not the inverse of what Magix shows in the publicity.

No, if you drew your marquee over the snow and other objects that were different colours from the object then they would become transparent.

My assumption is that the guy is extracted from the image and put on a green background

Not sure why you would want to put someone on a green background?

To be fair to Magix, they did not claim it was a new feature just that it is a new optimisation (of an existing feature), further reinforced by the comment in the Functions section which says:

OPTIMIZED! Chroma keying We are finally 100 % satisfied with the object extraction . Thanks to simple removal of green edges and the new, precise object extraction algorithm. Endless new design possibilities for you!

Read more: https://www.magix.com/us/video/video-pro-x/
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The accompanying photo shows a guy with green spill on his face from the screen.

I wonder though that they have not changed the text on Magix.com from what it originally said ie with some mention of the Blue and Green screen options?

It is interesting to play with the controls with an SMPTE colour bar image selected on a lower track and select say the green bar with the marquee and operate the Antispill slider. At the default setting, bars cyan and yellows look a little grey. Moving the slider brings back their original colour showing that the Antispill is just a fine colour brightness control for the selected (foreground) green colour.

I must admit though that in MEP2019 Chroma key may at times not be working consistently ie. "The Ship isn't responding to the controls Captain". Maybe this is what you have seen in VPX John.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . I can not quite see how opening a 2019 project would make it appear in Stamp mode . . . .

Apologies mixed up my notes 😡 - importing the 2019 project into MEP 2016 - when Stamp mode was selected the clip lost the green screen effect, and the effect had to be reapplied. The Antispill was, as you have said, in the Colour mode.

. . . . precise object extraction algorithm . . . .

I got this message when I tried opening the 2016 project in 2019

the effect can still be adjusted so not all is lost when opening old projects which use the older algorithm.

HTH

John EB