I was having this issue and think I may have a solution. First, check to see that you set the frame rate on your video export settings is set to the same frame rate the video you are editing is in. Second, if you are speeding up your video in some spots, you can first export the sped up footage without the rest of the edited video then come back in and use the exported sped up footage in the spots you need them in. I THINK that maybe all I needed to do was change the frame rate to 60 fps as the default is 24 fps, but I also had footage that I sped up 10x and first exported just the sped up stuff and placed it back into the project and it worked like a charm. Hope this helps someone in the future. If so, feel free to send me 50% of the money you made using this help =P

@CubeAce

It's not a good feeling when you voice genuine problems and they get swept under the rug.

It seems that support for consumer software is slowly degrading to only user forums and facebook where users are now the support of the software.

@EJCJ Hi.

While that is a definite workaround it should not have to be done. The whole point of the program is it should record all actions made within the program and faithfully reproduce them thereafter. These actions used to work in previous versions and are slowly getting worse with each new release.

@Reyfox

Apart from this reported problem I have since turned in two more bug reports which have had no reply at all to.

I personally think it is time for Magix to just concentrate on fixing the numerous bugs rather than trying to sell us additional speed and a few extra bells and whistles that seem to heavily depend on newer processors and graphics cards that are gradually getting beyond a reasonable price point. Most users are not businesses and these collective increases in unreliability (program) and upgrade costs (for the hardware) may just ruin the market in an extended depression.

I for one would pay for just a bug free program.

Ray.

@CubeAce while I too would rather opt for a bug free, do what it says it's suppose to do, program, that is not what will sell, sadly.

People want "new" even if they never will use it. Remember 3D? It was to me, a waste of programming resources on some of the software that I use. But it was a marketing selling point.

I don't think without a ground up approach that software can really get better. And then, there is programming going to low bidders all over the planet. And I've had better success and less problems, with older versions of software.

Side note: I beta test for 3 commercially available software. One piece of software, the beta testing was superb. The Project Manager and Quality Assurance/Control were just as active in the forum as the testers. It was great. Everyone loved it. Communication was all the time. The next beta? One was gone, the other relegated to a lesser position, and the beta testing suffered. I've seen a QC get let go in the middle of a beta cycle. I have no idea what is happening, but marketing drives the software direction and release dates. It doesn't matter if the program is ready or not. Release and patch later. The sad part is, we are all complicit in this, buying and spending our money for unfinished products, hoping the next version will be better. I've decided to get off the merry-go-round, use what works (mostly) and be content. It's not about the money, it's about getting what I paid for.

@Reyfox

I agree people want new but do they want to have to upgrade their existing computers to do it?

CPU sales have gone down 36% every year for the past three years. AMD are selling more domestic CPUs than Intel except in the mobile section.

Look at the GPUs in use during May and June last year as shown by the steam survey. Not many new high end cards in that lot.

What percentage of people are yet to use Windows 11?

Most people on the forums we see seem to be editing either game play or files from their smart phones.

I don't see this situation changing in the next few years. Nvidia's revenue has dropped by one and a quarter billion in the last 12 months. AMD graphics have risen slightly but there are a lot of disgruntled customers out there with AMD not so older gen cards not receiving driver updates.

We are going to see a lot more complaints if people buy a shiny new program and they find they can't use it effectively.

Ray.

Most consumers out there are drawn to "new". Are drawn to "zillions of features", even though with a minimum spec'ed computer, will have a terrible time using it. That falls on marketing and posting minimum specifications that while the software will load, will make editing painful. They will spend their money, come to the forum/FB and ask why things aren't working smooth for them and learn what works best, as you wrote.

Myself, my computer is more than adequate for just about any editing software out there. As time passes, Win11 will eclipse the others. It was released only 2 years ago. Win 10, 8 years ago. I remember when Win10 was released, and the outcry was from Win7 (released 2009) users. New computers and laptops will come with Win11. So come back in 5 or so years and compare the usage to previous versions.

I did a fresh install of Win11 Pro on a new NVME and migrated my software over to it. I've had my Win10 SSD running for years and years and wanted to clean install, so while I still prefer Win10, I opted for Win11. I much preferred Win7 at the time, but Win10 allowed me to use my new at the time Ryzen CPU to it's fullest.

GPU prices have fallen back to reality from the mining days of insane pricing. That is why old GPU's still are the majority in Steam. I used a RX480 8GB for 6 years because upgrading was beyond what I was willing to pay. A few months ago, upgraded to RX 6700XT 12GB at MSRP. And I still think GPU prices are overpriced. Nvidia's revenue dropped because of the pricing of GPU's now. At the time of record money making, you couldn't find GPU's because miners were buying by the truck load driving up the price/profit margin. I think that as time goes on, and prices remain sane, people will slowly upgrade. Especially with emphasis on 1440 and high frame rates.

Here is software that I was using way back in the day. Avid Liquid. 16 camera multicam capable with compositing using Commotion, DVD 5.1 Dolby, unlimited track editing, background rendering while editing, etc.. Look at the recommended system specs to see what this, at the time, high end editor needed to do this. Now look at the specs of consumer editors, which still can't do what Liquid did with less hardware requirements.

@Reyfox

Hi.

Win 12 is already under development. It may come out before then end of support for Windows 10. Whether that will be a good or bad thing is left to be seen.

Nvidia in particular has drifted away from it's original goal in my opinion which showed itself because of the mining issues and they are already talking about not releasing lower tier cards in the future as the internal Intel GPUs are now considered 'sufficient'. So my guess would be nothing below a 3060 or 3070 except perhaps for the mobile market. The desktop market is very small now with most opting for laptops. Even though the price of CPUs and GPUs are coming down to launch stated prices and some below that, the very top graphics cards are still not being bought in the volume they once were.

Some people have 8K video capability on their phone and will expect to edit it. Personally I think that is mad but still they will see the Magix website say its editor can cope. That's a long way from Avid Liquid capabilities.

We will all have to wait and see how the market develops. Too many variables at present to predict.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Greetings.

My reference to Avid Liquid (I had it when Pinnacle bought FAST and it started with Pinnacle Edition) was how much someone was able to do with far less hardware spec'd than today. 16 camera multicam... wow. Compositing, wow. Realtime editing/rendering for a lot of what it could do. For compositing, background rendering while you continue to edit. Amazing. Motion tracking? Of course!

All this computing requiring an Intel Pentium 4 Processor 3.0GHz, Microsoft Windows XP Professional or Home Edition (SP1 or SP2), get this.... 1GB RAM, and PCIe Graphics Card with 256MB RAM, DirectX 9 hardware support. And look at what is required for today's consumer editors.

And while today's editing software handle higher resolution, Liquid was at the cutting edge back then with what was available. Today, another "buzzword" is collaborating with others. Liquid could do that since it was used in many TV stations to quickly edit videos.

Remember commercial? Everyone in the Liquid forum was doing their own version of it.

@Reyfox

My copy of the Original Cubase VST had much tighter MIDI control and still handled multiple audio tracks and soft synths on a 23 bit operating system, but that was in a time when the programs were built better and not compiled on code upon code. You can argue the Apollo 11 mission had a computer in the Luna module that only had 32kbs of ram. These comparisons are chalk and cheese. I was using a 3:4 monitor when I first ran XP and most computers needed an additional sound card let alone a graphics card. And just look at the quality of that video. OK probably taken form a VHS recording but then again probably the camera that recorded the original footage and even back then those systems were expensive and if not professional were recording to tape. For a few it was a niche hobby with few people buying the camera gear or the computers capable of editing the recordings. I'm not arguing things are not comparatively as expensive to do as they were back then but while a lot of people will spend out on a camcorder or a high end mobile phone (of which sales of those have also declined in the last few years), most will not then go out and spend another £2000 to £3000 pounds on a computer to edit the resulting footage on. They expect to do it on their present laptop.

What can't be done using MEP 2020 that can be done in MS2023? The compatibility for MEP 2020 would be much better for most people having problems now. The only thing is, it is now almost impossible to get a legitimate copy of MEP 2020 if you are a new user.

I'm not down-crying Magix for producing new software, just their advertising and giving the impression it can cope with anything with the least powerful systems. Any disclaimers carefully crafted in such a way as to be almost dismissive. Most people if they stick to editing HD or below will probably not notice any problems but more are now using higher resolutions. They are the disappointed ones, trying to edit a video easily taken with their phone or action cam not realising just how processor intensive such editing has become due to what video editing programs have become.

Ray.

@CubeAce the coding was better and tighter back in the day than today. With computer RAM cheap, hard drive space cheap, there is no need to tightly code as it was in the past. That was my point in bringing in a professional video editor and it's features, along with how much computer horsepower was needed to run it smoothly. Today's computers are way faster than in the past, and cheaper also. Yet, software has resulted in needing gigabytes of space on hard drives and computers that are above the usual average out there. Forget about the "average" laptop.

Software companies also give minimum specs, which are unrealistic to me, and people buy. Then they complain as to "why" when their computer meets the requirements to run the software.

As features are added, complexity grows and the need of a more powerful computer to make use of these features goes up. And you are right. People have cellphones that shoot over 4K in HEVC. So they do it. Then come to edit and suffer with the variable frame rate issues and working with HEVC. They don't understand codecs, compression and everything else involved. All they want to do is edit their videos.

You are right, they aren't willing to spend thousands on a new computer and will look for one of those cellphone apps, and off they go.

Is consumer video editing dying slowly? Most software have more than what most people need in the consumer world. A more efficient product is something that everyone can use.

@Reyfox

I think we agree.

Is consumer video editing dying slowly? Most software have more than what most people need in the consumer world. A more efficient product is something that everyone can use.

Personally I think not necessarily, but maybe the costs will divide the user groups. So that the higher end will end up really high end as happened to the Hi-Fi sector and eventually the lower end will be 'good enough' and cheap enough for the majority with very little in the middle ground.

I think that is already happening in gaming where the sweet spot is as you pointed out 1440p with high refresh rates and low latency pixel response times. Good enough to be competitive when sitting close to a monitor. Doesn't need the current top end graphics card and people are starting to think about the power consumption of such rigs as well.

For Video editing, where can you actually see content displayed above 4K? higher resolutions are OK if you have a small sensor and want to reduce noise by reducing the resolution or want to crop in with an action cam shot. There are only so many times you can watch your own videos once they are finished unlike music compositions.

There will be those few with large 8K TVs using them for gaming in a home theatre room and the odd home movie but I would guess well less than 1% of the population in the richer countries. Real high end Hi-Fi ownership is much lower than that with systems coming in at £200,000 +(and you need a lot of room to put them in if you want the systems to perform well).

Unless there is yet another revolution in computer chip production, the current state of increasing performance on the latest offerings is only going to get much worse price wise. This was one reason nvidia tried to buy ARM.

The nvidia 4090 pound for pound is a bargain vs performance but it's still just under £2,000.

If I could afford it I would be looking at the 3070 but I have other things I need first. Funnily enough I don't balk at paying for a full service for my car which is just under that price. Perspective is a wonderful thing.

Ray.