Where can I find Vegas Edit? Also, I have a copy of the Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14 I'm thinking of installing. Do you think that older version will still work? I just got a new HP laptop, so I thought since I finally got an updated and supposedly faster processor, I would treat myself to a new Vegas... which turns out not to be a new Vegas. If Vegas Edit is an actual Vegas and the price is reasonable, I'll look into it. If not, guess I'll go back to old school Vegas!

@LeroyInSC

Hi

See this quick example noting the placement of keyframes.

If that does not make sense see this comment further down.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

Hi, I think that will still work providing you still have the activation key,

Vegas Edit is the basic version of Vegas Pro, it'll do all Vegas Pro does & what your Vegas MS would do but you can compare here,

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/gb/product-comparison/#productMenu

Download the Trial first to see if it's what you expect,

There's a forum just for Vegas users if you choose to go with that https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/vegas-pro-forum/

There's a post at the top of that forum reg Vegas MS & the new Magix MS https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/information-movie-studio-2022-is-not-a-vegas-product--133018/

If you now own MEP & can't get a refund if you prefer Vegas, keep it on your system because like i say it is a good but basic program with v good playback res & fast export 👍

@LeroyInSC

Hi,

About the Pan/Crop in Vegas MS. Do you really crop, meaning to a different shape than the same aspect ratio of the original image, like, say, to a square? Or do you mean that you are zooming in to an area on the image with the same aspect ratio?

Either way, I don't see how you can start full-frame then "move to a different part of the video picture" without panning. This is, by definition, panning and zooming, which is exactly what the Camera/Zoom effect does.

Section effect is a crop, either with the same or different aspect ratio. Cropping is not keyframeable. A crop in MS means that you have cut out that part of the image and are using it. What is outside is not available. This is not the same as zooming in.

I'm assuming that you want to simply zoom in to a part of the image/video clip, hold that zoom, then zoom back out. I did the following video to do exactly that.

The automated part of Camera/zoom zooms in or out to/from a section of the image. It does not zoom back out, which is why I used the Custom feature, or simply created keyframes.

John CB

@browj2 Hi, yes just like in your vid you have to duplicate/copy the zoomed in keyframe, i think the OP is referring to something like that, because the mention of 'full frame - move to a different part of the video picture - then back to regular full frame' in these pics i was guessing only a section of the video is showing on screen, the Hold keyframe freezes any movement of that selection, right up until the frame before the next keyframe,

If there's 2 keyframes on the timeline each representing a section/selection of the image, if those keyframes are set to Linear, that section/selection will pan across until it is in the position the next keyframe denotes,

But if the first keyframe is set to Hold (red) , there's no panning on screen, no movement of the section/selection until the very last frame when the timeline cursor lands on the next keyframe the section/selection jumps to the next position,

This pic is 2 frames before the next keyframe,

& when it lands on that next keyframe,

Like i say I'm not 100% sure how the OP is using this or whether the chosen section/selection/crop is in full screen or not, or whether the source aspect ratio is being kept or not. 🤷‍♂️

@browj2 - Gid has better explained what I meant. The tips you have left will allow me to get close to doing what I used to to do in Vegas, which was panning/ zooming to a part on the screen, keyframe ‘hold’ instead of ‘linear’ or ‘smooth’ etc. You guys have helped me tremendously. Thanks!

@browj2 Similar function to Camera zoom but a little bit more control over the selection, & i didn't add it but you can zoom back out to full full screen whenever you want,

@LeroyInSC

Hi,

What I showed is exactly my interpretation of what you said that you wanted. Zoom in to a part of the image, hold, zoom back out.

I asked questions about the aspect ratio. No reply.

To keep us from guessing, just show us what it is that you did in Vegas MS.

There is usually more than one way to do something, but we have to know what it is exactly that you want.

@Former user

That is quite convoluted and without looking, I doubt that what you did could be done easily in Vegas MS 10 or 11 or even 16 (which I have). I would never have guessed that Leroy wanted something like that.

See my comment above. You are zooming in and creating a window on a part of the image, not full-screen. I kept it to full-screen.

See my third go-round in this video. It zooms in, holds the zoom, closes to a window that follows the action, window out, zoom out. It was fairly easy to do, but is that what Leroy wants?

Something that you can do in VPX but cannot do in Vegas 19 - Bézier curves. The red line is X, the other Y. X is in focus and you can see the smooth curves that can be adjusted using the handles. I used VPX since you are comparing Vegas to Movie Studio. A better comparison is with VPX.

Also, once one figures out what effect Leroy wants, it can be saved as an effect and reused in MS and VPX.

John CB

@browj2

John, I see that your "reset to full screen at the end of the pan" hack using S&P (& now, R) no longer works. 😬

@LeroyInSC

Hi

My interpretation of the requirements were the same as @browj2s.

. . . . panning/ zooming to a part on the screen, keyframe ‘hold’ instead of ‘linear’ or ‘smooth’ etc. . . . .

Can you clarify - is the zoomed part to be shown full screen as the methods John CB and I have given or as shown in @Former user post surrounded with a blank area and no full screen ?

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . "reset to full screen at the end of the pan" hack using S&P (& now, R) no longer works . . . .

Which 'hack' is that one?

John EB

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn,

You are quite right, and going to Size/Position/Rotation and clicking on Movie Size doesn't fix it.

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Use the Camera/Zoom like I did, but instead of copying the first kf and pasting it at the end, click on Movie Size beside Section. This should restore the clip to its original size and location. It doesn't. The image will be somewhere other than centred. Remove the kf, switch to SPR, click on Movie Size - nothing, try resetting the size values - don't work, Original Size - works, clip still offset, Anchor point at 0,0.

How does one get the image back to the centre?

I see this as a bug between Camera/Zoom and SPR. I think that Camera/Zoom does not use the anchor point and is still using the old system with 0,0 at the upper left or something like that.

EDIT: Looking at the two products in the kf area, in MEP2021, Camera Zoom creates kf's under Image Size/Position. In MEP2022, there are two areas - one for Camera/Zoom, the other for SPR. I believe that this is where the problem occurs - Camera Zoom should only use SPR.

John CB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Further to the above:

John CB