creating panoramas

joserobles1941 wrote on 12/9/2023, 9:44 PM

I have been trying to create panoramas using MEP versions MEP15, 17 and 2022 without success . It appears to be a very simple process, but does not work. Using maximum of 6 pics, somestimes less than that. Please help.

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CubeAce wrote on 12/10/2023, 9:40 AM

@joserobles1941

Hi.

I don't understand what you are trying to do. Why 6 separate pictures?

Personally I would import one panoramic image, then adjust that picture to the required length and use the size, position, rotation tool to adjust and pan the image.

The above was done in Video Pro X but the process is identical in Movie Edit Pro 2022. At each key frame I adjusted the position and size of the image then moved to the next point in the timeline to adjust the image size and position again.

Ray.

 

 

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browj2 wrote on 12/10/2023, 10:12 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

I’m travelling so not at my computer.

VPX/MMS has a feature to create a panorama of up to 6 photos. Please look in the manual.

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CubeAce wrote on 12/10/2023, 11:35 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

I had never used it but have found it. Couldn't find it in older manuals but did find it in the current one. Thanks.

@joserobles1941

Hi.

Apparently hold down the control key on your keyboard while left clicking on each image on the timeline so all are selected. Then right click any one of the highlighted images and select 'Create panorama'. That should bring up the following box. Select an option.

The manual does warn that the images edges must align fairly well for this to work which it did do with the images I selected (I hadn't tried this before) so it seems to do the same thing I described above but aligns the images for you rather than having to supply a pre-made panorama. Not many options of movement to choose from once you have the images sorted though. I have yet to investigate the additional options listed in the image above.

I'm assuming if your images do not align well that this feature cannot cope with producing a panorama. Notice it ignored 2 of my selects images.

[Edit]

Clicking on the more options takes you to the following webpage

Ray.

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joserobles1941 wrote on 12/10/2023, 5:08 PM

Thank Cube Ace

I want to use all six photos of my living room so I can pan it from left to right in its entirety. I am enclosing all the steps I have taken but the result is only one photo in spite of having selected all six .

I also have installed MEP 15 and MEP 17 with the same feature, but in both a sign appears that says "an error has occurred."

Finally I used Photo Manager 15 which did the trick but including moving it from one side to the other and viceversa. For me this was great; the only thing is when I tried to export it there was no option ( maybe because it is all about pics and not videos). What I finally did wat to screen capture videos with my MEP 22 and it did work.

joserobles1941 wrote on 12/10/2023, 5:14 PM

Hi Brownj2,

Thank you for your comment. I have not the chance to look into what you suggest yet. I ´ll take my time to do and comment.

I have no idea of what VPS/MMS is so before looking into the manual would you be kind enough to elaborate ?

Thanks

José Robles

browj2 wrote on 12/10/2023, 9:43 PM

@joserobles1941

Hi José,

VPX = Video Pro X

MMS = Magix Movie Studio, the new name for MEP (Movie Edit Pro)

Using the Create Panorama creates a jpg image with the name that you choose or the default name. If you open the image in something other than MEP, you'll see that the image is very wide but normal height. When it is put on the timeline by the program, it will fill the screen but part will be cut off. The idea is that you will create the pan using Size/Position and keyframes. You chose not to do this automatically so you have to do it yourself. So, if your project settings are 1920x1080, MEP will make the image 1080 high, filling both the height and the width, but cutting off a large part of true width of the image. In the image below, the width of the pan object when full height is 20054.1, but the screen is only 1920 wide, so most is cut off.

If you import the image, it will probably look this:

That is not usable, so you make the image fill the Height = 1080, and then you deal with the rest by using Position and keyframing to make your pan.

Try doing it again, but choose Automatically apply camera movement to panorama from left to right or right or left (your choice as to how you want to view it). You can increase the duration like any other photo and move the keyframes as you wish.

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CubeAce wrote on 12/11/2023, 1:06 AM

@joserobles1941

Hi.

One thing I notice in your added images above is you have both landscape and portrait images selected. I'm pretty sure that won't work at the heights of the images won't match for stitching together whatever you try to do. Too much difference in pixel density. All images much match resolutions in height.

Ray.

 

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Former user wrote on 12/11/2023, 3:05 AM

@joserobles1941 @CubeAce

It doesn't work for me either in MMS 2024 or VPX14, all images are 1920x1080 jpg, (I tried with png)

 

johnebaker wrote on 12/11/2023, 3:17 AM

@Former user, @joserobles1941

Hi Gid

. . . . It doesn't work for me either in MMS 2024 or VPX14, all images are 1920x1080 jpg, (I tried with png) . . . .

It won't with the images shown in your video above,

The images used are not 'consecutive' images taken from the same point with at least 15-20% overlap left and right, so the program can match up the left/right edges of the images to create panoramas - more commonly known as 'stitching'.

Here is an example:

The images must also be of the same orientation.

HTH

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CubeAce wrote on 12/11/2023, 3:54 AM

@johnebaker @Former user @browj2 @joserobles1941

I am going to admit that if given the correct type of images it does produce a decently stitched image. At least equal to what my ancient copy of Photoshop is capable of and it will reject an end image if not suitable and still produce a finished jpg. Some programs would just stop and reject the whole bunch of images.

Ray.

 

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browj2 wrote on 12/11/2023, 12:53 PM

@joserobles1941 @CubeAce

Hi,

Here is my effort with 6 images and accepting to create the pan from left to right. I say that the overlay should be about 30%. As John EB mentions, 15-20% works fine so long as what is in the overlap is relatively easy to identify.

Below is the interface of MMS2024 showing the Size/Position/Rotation interface with the keyframes.

In the interface, if you click on More Possibilities, you'll end up on the Magix site to purchase PanoramaStudio or the Pro version, which allows more than 6 images. I have the regular version. The first really wide image that I posted above was a 360 panorama made with this. Strangely, I tried doing the 6 images that I did in Movie Studio, and PanoramaStudio had trouble with them. I must be missing something in the parameters. Not a program that I have used a lot. It came with Xara Designer Pro X.

One of the things that I did as a test was to try a bunch of discrete images of photos taken in an art museum. the resulting collage was quite interesting.

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CubeAce wrote on 12/11/2023, 2:25 PM

@joserobles1941 @johnebaker @Former user @browj2

I don't know how Magix does its stitching of images but I've found a 10% overlap to be sufficient. It is taking care to get the height of each one correct and not adjusting focal length, aperture, or focus point which I set all manually. Normally in a busy area I will do a sweep before hand making a note of all the points of where each view begins and ends at the edges and the height. Height is very important as deviation causes severe cropping of height. If I do a 3 x 4 grid that becomes even more important. Why I do those is just to get more detail.

They may not be large by today's standards but those images were taken with a 12MP sensor. Try opening one in a new tab to see full size. All are double height stacked. In the helicopter image you will see a slight misalignment of the right rotor.

This is a 3 x 3 grid shot.

Speed also helps if you have anything moving in the image.

For large objects at distances closer than I have a wide enough lens for this is my only alternative.

This is the jpg that VPX produced. (four images)

If you know how to set up a hyperfocal point, that can be very handy.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/11/2023, 4:51 PM

@browj2

HI John

I used Panorama Studio many years ago as one of my goto's for stitching images together, the main 'issue' I had was that to get a good stitch out of it was that it needed at least a 25%, preferably 30%, overlap on each edge.

My other go to was, and still is, Hugin Panorama Photo Stitcher which I find to be very good - the largest panorama I did with it was a 12 image 360°.

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joserobles1941 wrote on 12/11/2023, 7:19 PM

Sorry for taking me some time to reply, comment on your invaluable contributions - thank you very much to all of you!!!

What an overstatement I wrote when I first posted this, I said it was a simple process. After reading all of your posts I feel overwhelmed. It is going to take me some time to carefully read all, try to understand it and luckily apply it.

I have several other questions which I will post when I make a list of all. Just take into consideration that my technical knowledge is very limited, I am just an aficionado trying to enhance my material in a way that family and friends find it attractive and fun to watch, especially with the coming holidays.

Finally, I do have one question which could immediately help me . It is this Hugin Panorama Photo Sticher which jhonebaker mentions. I know it is free but is also gratis ? ( it would be great if it were so ) Would it suffice to creating panoramas and be able to pan it from one side to the other ? I just took a look at it and it looks great and I wonder if it could replace all the other ones

Again my gratitude to all and my best wishes for the coming holidays

José Robles