Hi Reyfox,

Thanks for your message. Actually, I am using Video Pro X 11. Perhaps the codec is included in the later versions? I love the G9 as well and think it's great that it continues to improve with firmware updates.

@terrerad maybe Magix will have a Humble Bundle on VPX like they did last year. I got VPX14 for $25 along with some music stuff that I am not interested in. So sign up it costs nothing and they always have something on sale.

@terrerad

Hi

. . . . Perhaps the codec is included in the later versions? . . . .

I no longer have it installed, I am on VPX 15, however from the manual the AVC-Intra codec has to be purchased, this also applies to all versions of VPX from VPX 4 to VPX15 as shown in the image below.

@Reyfox

Hi

. . . . In VPX14, I didn't have to purchase anything to display and edit the same footage from my G9 . . . .

Do you have any Panasonic software installed that came with the G9, if so it may have installed the codecs and VPX has picked them up?

John EB
Forum Moderator

@johnebaker, no, I do not have any Panasonic software installed. Never have. And since you say there was a fee required from VPX4 onward, I can't say that it came with VPX12.

I did nothing special nor bought anything to put the UHD 4K 422 10bit footage on the timeline. MEP2022 won't do it.

It is a MOV file and I do have Quicktime 7.7 Player installed.

@Reyfox

Hi

. . . . UHD 4K 422 10bit footage . . . MEP2022 won't do it . . . MOV file . . . Quicktime 7.7 Player installed. . . .

Is the video encoded All-Intra ?

I have installed QT and it does not help import the file on my PC.

This is the MediaInfo for the file from a Panasonic GH 5 I am testing with:

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 4:2:2 Intra@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, GOP                     : N=1

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John, The UHD 4K 4:2:2 10bit 150Mbps is long GOP not an all-intra file which made me surprised when the requirement for the AVCIntra Encoder Upgrade popped up.

@terrerad

HI

. . . . UHD 4K 4:2:2 10bit 150Mbps is long GOP . . . .

Can you analyse the video file with MediaInfo and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required. Do ensure the results are from the Text view.

. . . . surprised when the requirement for the AVCIntra Encoder Upgrade . . . .

That is odd!

Do you have Quicktime installed? If not download and install it, only install the Essentials and Player components these should be preselected in the Custom install, and try importing the video again.

John EB

@johnebaker, here is MediaInfo of the video.

@johnebaker , @Reyfox

Thank you both for your assistance. I do have Quicktime installed and was always able to add 8bit mov video files without issue. It is only when I tried 10bit 4:2:2 that the codec purchase requestor appeared. Thanks again!

@Reyfox

Hi

The video is 'standard' AVC/h.264 at a very high bitrate due to the profile level being high quality at 5.1.

The encoding is standard GOP structure, however it is not All-Intra, therefore no AVC-Intra decoder needed.

From the M=1 N=12 values, the M value is the distance between two 'anchor frames which can be I or P frames, the N value refers to the distance between two full I-Frames.

This means the GOP structure is 1 I-frame followed by 11 P-Frames, ie IPPPPPPPPPPP, there are no B-frames.

@terrerad

. . . . It is only when I tried 10bit 4:2:2 that the codec purchase requestor appeared . . . .

And the MediaInfo data?

John EB

Magix Video Pro X spielt ohne das Intra Codec Pack
keine AVCHD-Dateien mit IDR-Frames ab .

Video- ID: 1
Format: AVC
Format/Info: Advanced Video Codec
Formatprofil: Hoch 4:2:2@L5.2
Formateinstellungen: CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Formateinstellungen, CABAC: Ja
Formateinstellungen, Referenz: 2 Frames <----
Formateinstellungen, Slice-Anzahl: 8 Slices pro Frame  <----
Codec-ID: avc1
Codec-ID/Info: Erweiterte Videokodierung
Dauer: 7 s 200 ms
Bitratenmodus: Variabel
Bitrate: 200 Mbit/s
Breite: 3.840 Pixel
Höhe: 2.160 Pixel
Anzeigeseitenverhältnis: 16:9
Bildratenmodus : Konstant
Bildrate: 50.000 FPS
Farbraum: YUV
Chroma-Unterabtastung: 4: 2:2
Bittiefe: 10 Bit
Scantyp: Progressiv
Bits/(Pixel*Frame): 0,482
Streamgröße: 173 MiB (90 %)
Kodiertes Datum: 16.10.2022 10:09:28 UTC
Markiertes Datum: 2022-10 -16 10:09:28 UTC
Farbbereich: Vollständig
Metas: 3
Codec-Konfigurationsfeld: avcC
Audio-
ID: 2
Format: PCM
Formateinstellungen: Groß / Signiert
Codec-ID: zwei
Dauer: 7 s 200 ms
Bitratenmodus: Konstant
Bitrate: 1.536 kb/s
Kanal(e): 2 Kanäle
Abtastrate: 48,0 kHz
Bittiefe : 16 Bits
Streamgröße: 1,32 MiB (1 %)
Codiertes Datum: 16.10.2022 10:09:28 UTC
Markiertes Datum: 16.10.2022 10:09:28 UTC
 

@johnebaker , @Reyfox, @Marc-Goder

Hi John,

As I mentioned, I know this file is longGOP and not all intra as the G9 only has that as an option unlike the GH5. This hasn't prevented Video Pro X asking for the paid codec. I just filmed a sequence again and here is the MediaInfo data as requested:

General
Complete name                            : D:\DCIM\115_PANA\PG9_3676.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2011.07 (qt  /pana)
File size                                : 245 MiB
Duration                                 : 13 s 13 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 158 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-03-15 13:12:31 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-03-15 13:12:31 UTC
com.panasonic.Semi-Pro.metadata.xml      : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 4:2:2@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=12
Format settings, Slice count             : 16 slices per frame
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 13 s 13 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 150 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 180 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits

Thanks again!

Best regards,

Dan

@Marc-Goder @terrerad

Hi Marc, Dan

I suspect that, as both videos you have supplied MediaInfo data for, have the same encoding method, ie Sliced frame encoding, they require a more advanced decoder to deal with the slices.

. . . . I know this file is longGOP . . . .

The file is within the range for 'normal' GOP length, the N value in the data is how many frames are in each GOP - which is normally one half of, and up to, the frame rate of the video.

Long GOP is a very loose term, generally considered to be a N value that is higher than the framerate, though some camera manufacturers such as Canon and Panasonic do call a N=15, or greater, 'Long GOP'.

John EB

Hi @johnebaker ,

Thank you for the distinction regarding GOP. Even though there may be a different number of delta frames in the codec the G9 produces it is still not all-intra which the name of the add on codec suggests. I will have to determine if it is worth purchasing or just using another editor. Thanks again to everyone for all the assistance.

@terrerad I still find it strange that my files I am able to import into VPX14 without issue. Looking at your MediaInfo and mine, there is no difference expect frame rate. So I thought I would try one of the 23.97fps videos, and they went without any problem. I never paid for any additional codec.

Do you have a short sample of one of your clips that do not work, and upload it to the cloud?

Screenshot of one of the clips with MediaInfo showing in VPX14.

@Reyfox

Then another software may provide you with the codec.

@Reyfox

Hi.

Are you sure that a wrapper or codec from another source such as another video editing program that has ended up on your system has not been hijacked / used and pressed into service by VPX?

Ray.

I can't be sure since I have several different editing software on my computer. Davinci Resolve Studio, Vegas Post 365, MEP 2022Plus, and Pinnacle Studio 26 Ultimate. The only editor that will not import that footage is MEP2022.

The only way to know for sure is to uninstall all that software and start from the beginning with VPX to see if it works. But I am not about to do that. Or... upload a short clip and see if others with VPX "only" can import it.

@Reyfox

Hi.

If anyone else could replicate your findings it would be Gid as he has quite a few programs on his machine as well. He also has an AMD processor as opposed to the Intel one which is another possible difference?

Ray.

@Reyfox

Hi

Can you upload a short ~ 30 sec video clip to Google Drive, OneDrive, Dropbox or other file sharing site, and post the link,for us to test.

I would agree with @Marc-Goder comment that there is some software on your computer that is providing the necessary codec to decode the video on your computer.

From the list of editors you have given - my prime suspect would be Resolve.

John EB

Hi @Reyfox , @johnebaker , @Marc-Goder , @CubeAce ,

Curiouser and curiouser. The fact that Reyfox was able to add this file format successfully to the timeline without issue gave me the motivation to try again. I also had Video Pro X (same version and patches) installed on an older machine with my second activation and when I added the file to the timeline the program downloaded and installed the AVC-Intra codec without the requestor to pay for it?! The file plays back flawlessly and I really want this working on my primary machine but I can certainly live with this outcome.

@terrerad

Hi

. . . . . Curiouser and curiouser . . . . .

The question is what is the difference between the 2 PC's that enables import?

After more testing, I can import Sliced AVC 4:2:0 video into VPX and MMS with no issue, this leads me to wonder if this a 4:2:2 / MOV import issue.

John EB