Changing chords

efanton wrote on 8/24/2015, 2:20 PM

 

I am new to magix

 

I have found a guitar riff that I like and would like to base a song around and I am trying to get MMM to change the chord played.

I understand there are 7 chords availabe using the pitch buttons but none of them sound remotely similar (same pattern or phrasing).

What I want to do is litterally change from an Am chord to a C chord with the exact same pattern of play and pitch changes, what MMM gives me when I change pitch is total garbage as from one chord change to the next the sound, phrasing and rythm changes so much as to make it totally unusable.

 

I am using the GuitSolo A sound pool from the Best of Disco House Vol.1

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=4B99C5B4777661EE!558&authkey=!AF_ysCgYzXaN3E8&ithint=file%2cwav

 

Change the pitch to number 2 and you get this

 

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=4B99C5B4777661EE!558&authkey=!AF_ysCgYzXaN3E8&ithint=file%2cwav

 

 

Help,  If I cant do this then this product is waste of time and money

 

 

Secondly,  I bought MMM rock Edition.

I see on the main site that there mention of a loop designer which I cannot find in MMM Rock edition.  Have I bought the wrong version?  I assumed that all MMM versions were the same but the sound pools provided free were associated with the style of music chosen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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browj2 wrote on 8/24/2015, 2:38 PM

Hi,

The best would have been to buy the Premium version and then you would find that you have a lot. Any soundpools missing you could purchase separately, as needed, from Catooh.

I don't know whether or not loop designer is in the version that you bought. You would have to go through the Magix.com site to see.

To change keys, simply select one of the pitch numbers beside the sound pool. Each number corresponds to a different pitch.

You should also take a look at my tutorial on getting started in MMM.

If you recently purchased MusicMaker (within last 30 days), you can contact Magix and ask for a refund/exchange to the full Premium version. See what they say.

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efanton wrote on 8/24/2015, 3:13 PM

browj2

unfortunately you didnt read at all what I wrote :(

Please re-read what I said

 

 

I already stated that simply selecting a pitch number DOES NOT just change the pitch, it changes the whole sound completely. 

Listen to te two example I linked in my original post and you will see exactly what I mean.

 

 

 

 

 

browj2 wrote on 8/24/2015, 4:38 PM

Sorry about that, you are quite right. The soundpools in the Folder Guitar Solo did not show up in MMM, for some reason and the guitar files that you posted do not show up under Guitar. They seem to be something separate. I checked them out and they are indeed quite different. For example, A1 is 4 bars, A2 is 8, A6 is 2 bars.

I managed to get these to show up under Guitar. Normally, the soundpools all work correctly, but as I indicated above, these ones seem to be different. Check any of the ones under a name that does not start with GuitSolo and you will see what I mean.

So you may have to live with this anomaly because that is how the loops were created. The work around is to use pitch shifting. You can do this on any of the loops.

Maybe someone else has another idea.

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efanton wrote on 8/24/2015, 4:52 PM

beginners luck :P

 

Have played with others and yes the pitch shift appears to work

I guess I was unlucky to find the only sound that isnt set up correctly for proper pitch shifting 

 

Feck it anyway as I was getting a pretty cool sound going.  This is the result of my first 20 minutes with MMM

 

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=4B99C5B4777661EE!560&authkey=!AATFnTse6WcGQZo&ithint=file%2cMP3

 

open NEW.MP3

 

browj2 wrote on 8/24/2015, 7:13 PM

That is really good! Make sure that you take a look at the demo project(s) to see some of the subtleties.

I think that there are some other soundpools in amongst all that I have that may be similar. Also, there are some soundpools that can be purchased (sometimes free - check Catooh weekly) that are actually chord progressions or pieces of songs that are not all in the same key - one loop contains chord changes. I'll take a look for these as we had a discussion here about them.

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browj2 wrote on 8/24/2015, 11:59 PM

There is more. I hadn't looked at the sources so I didn't notice that there were more files that didn't show up. This was because they were missing synonyms.

The source Soundpool files should be under:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\MAGIX\Common\Soundpools\Best of Soundpool Collection Vol. 1\Best of Disco House Vol.1

The folders in red do not show up normally in under Instruments:

Backbeats   
Bass        
Brass       
Brass Solo  
Drums       
Fx          
Guitar      
Guitar_Solo 
Keys        
Mallet      
Pad         
Percussion  
Sequence    
Strings     
Synth       
Vocals      
Vocals Adlibs
Wind

You can navigate to these using the File Browser in the Media Pool. I managed to bring in the Guitar_Solo under Guitar, but I don't know if this is a good idea. The bar length does not show up correctly.

There is another method to make sure that all loops that have strange folder names show up and I will get to that later.

Here is a screen shot of the Brass Solo HouseTrpA 1 through 7. The length varies from 1 to 4 bars.

Now for the trick and you need to be really careful here. Modify the InstrumentSynonyms.ini file in:
C:\Program Files (x86)\MAGIX\Music Maker 2015 Premium\Bitmaps\mxgui.4.0\Explorer\SoundPool

but first, make a copy and save it with the extension .bak just in case you need to return to the original.

I added:

[backbeats]
color = 77, 219, 219
synonym001 = Backbeats

[brass solo]
color = 58, 160, 94
synonym001 = Brass Solo

[guitar_solo]
color = 149, 171, 30
synonym001 = Guitar Solo

[guitar solo]
color = 149, 171, 30
synonym001 = Guitar Solo

[vocal adlibs]
color = 50, 20, 160
synonym001 = Vocal Adlibs

[vocals female]
color = 50, 30, 170
synonym001 = Vocals Female

[vocals rap]
color = 50, 40, 180
synonym001 = Vocal Rap

[vocals shout]
color = 50, 70, 190

synonym001 = Vocals Shout 

[harmony]
color = 104, 64, 193

synonym001 = Harmony

(there should not be a blank line between color and synonym - error in copy paste.)

I modified some colours without any real thought. I will probably change these. Now, I see the new instruments, like Brass Solo. Some of the loops did not show up at all before; now they do.

OTHER TYPES OF LOOPS

I mentioned that we had had a discussion about a problem Soundpool in this forum. It was the free, Country Vol1. You should be able to download this for free from Catooh. There is no BPM.inf file. The trick was to create a BPM.inf file and then modify the StyleSynonyms.ini

adding the following:

[country]
synonym001 = Country

Harmony was also missing which is why I added it to the Instruments. Also, there was a problem with the Drums. The loops came with the names xxxx 1. OGG, xxxxx 2.OGG etc. I had to change the numbers to A, B, C, D. Once done, I added the Country Vol1 again and everything appeared.

I think that I'll clean this up and publish it as a tutorial.

Hope I haven't confused you to much.

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almm wrote on 9/24/2015, 12:14 AM

this is aimed at browj2

thanks for replying to my thread with a link to this, I think i understand it all. The problem with 'score-no fear' is that it contains the 2 'pools' woodwinds and special fx, which are both missing from the .ini file

I have tried to add them in, both as new additions using

[woodwinds]
color = 50, 40, 180
synonym001 = Woodwinds

and i tried adding them in as new synonyms of the pre-existing catagories (as some others do)

[wind]
color = 50, 40, 180
synonym001 = wind

(space above due to weird formatting, not in ini file)synonym002=woodwinds

 

but it still wont add to the soundpool

 

this is rediculos as the soundpool is less then a month old

 

browj2 wrote on 9/25/2015, 11:49 PM

@almm,

Wind was already a synonym in my InstrumentSynonyms.ini file so there was nothing to do. Special is already defined under [fx], so nothing is required.

I noticed that in Movie Score Vol 11, I have FX and Wind but when looking at the soundpools, the folder names are FX and Woodwind. Looking at the files under FX first, I compared them with what shows up under FX in MMM and they are all there. Next, same with files under Woodwind, they all show up under Wind in MMM. You should compare the folders Special and Woodwind to see if the files are showing up under the synonyms FX and Wind.

There is also the StyleSynonym.ini that can be modified. I added Country to mine so that the folder Country would show up in the soundpools, and I added a BPM.inf file to make sure that the BPM was set and that everything would show up.

Maybe you can post a screen shot of the structure of the Score-no fear folder so I can see what it looks like. I presume that the other instruments all show up fine?

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