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browj2 wrote on 3/22/2023, 2:54 PM

@Former user

Hi,

Don't do that, your comment 'can have multiple animated masks at the same time. Can Mocha do that?' shows you know nothing about Mocha,...

Correct. That's why I asked the question, it was not a comment. I just wanted to point out that multiple masks (more than one completely separate objects) could be done with Xara, I wasn't sure about Mocha.

After looking at the Boris Mocha info and reading the relevant part of the manual, it's a fantastic program, which, for the price (1495US$ for a license or 595US$ per year), I would expect that it would be.

I see that they make multiple splines for parts of the same object, so that would count as multiple masks.

Xara is a graphics program for 50$US (New) with which you can also create static and animated overlays for video using MEP/MMS/VPX. It does not do tracking - you have to move/adjust the mask as the video advances. Also, magnetic snapping does not work with a video background, unfortunately. Would be nice.

If you just have one or two shots to do for a home video, I don't think that you would want to spend a great deal of money on it, unless you have a great deal of money.

One more thing, Xara G&PD and Xara DPX can also be the External Image Editor for MEP/MMS/VPX. While not a great bitmap editor, I find it useful for certain things like removing objects and making cutouts. I also use PaintShop Pro and I have it as the external bitmap editor for Xara. So, I can open an image from MMS/VPX in Xara and edit it in either or both Xara and PaintShop Pro.

@Marc-Goder

Hi Marc,

Animals don't work well.

Especially when the animal's fur is the colour of yellow-brown grass.

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browj2 wrote on 3/26/2023, 11:19 AM

@Jared-S and all,

Hi,

A guy posted information about RUNWAY AI Magic Tools. See this.

And he shows how he did it using Runway in this message.

Truly amazing! It would seem that this beats out Mocha both for ease of use and cost, especially for those of us who can't afford Mocha.

John CB

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CubeAce wrote on 3/26/2023, 11:57 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

Interesting and looks good quality but only available on yearly subscription. Then you have to buy extra credits to edit. Only seems to be available online. Maddening interface. I found it difficult to navigate and no real idea of what upload limits etc for files.

Ray.

 

 

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browj2 wrote on 3/26/2023, 12:15 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

Yes, subscription is not for me, but...

Consider 12$/month vs 50$/month for Mocha. Either way, you would really need to have a reasonably heavy use for one or the other. I can live with doing rotoscoping in Xara.

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CubeAce wrote on 3/26/2023, 2:40 PM

Hi John.

It's seems like it's more expensive than that. For this type of use on a regular basis (assuming this was for podcasts) you would need extra credits. No mention of how much credits cost.

I could easily chew through 100GBs of data. 2 minutes of video per month on basic subscription and still under 3 minutes for the Pro version? One project could exceed that and it is online editing only. The free trial is for 8 secs worth of video.

Not usable for streaming. Not an inboard application. Limited to 2K for exports. No Pro Res support.

Not only is it not cheaper than Mocha for a heavier user but less flexible. At least you can have the choice of a perpetual licence with Mocha and likely to be useful for more than a few years and you can export beyond 2K.

If you are a casual user you are still locked into a one year subscription service. This is why I prefer to have software without these clauses. I can understand why it's an online only service. The processing power needed is enormous and you are being charged for it.

Then again nothing seems to be guaranteed when talking about software or the internet. Look at DP Review being not only dropped by Amazon but erased totally from the web as a service. Difficult times for the whole industry trying to find ways to make a profit but hoping the public will fill the shortfalls in income is possibly a mistake for the next few years.

Ray.

 

 

 

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Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

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1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

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Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

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Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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browj2 wrote on 3/26/2023, 3:38 PM

@Marc-Goder

Hi Marc,

Looks like CAPCUT wins the day. The guy was walking past buildings that have a similar colour tone to his jacket. Very good!

@CubeAce

I think that it's still amazing. Since it costs a lot, then the competition will move in and get better and less expensive.

John CB

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