Audio on both video track and on its own track?

Kami_1 wrote on 11/12/2015, 5:00 PM

Hi,

I have MEP separate the audio when I import it.  If the tracks aren't separate, then I manually separte them.  So I delete some audio from the video I'm working on (left part of attached image.  Then I played the video ... and still heard audio ... not loud, but definitely there.  When I looked closely at the video track, I see what looks like audio at the bottom of the video.   I was able to remove the audio under Audio Functions.  I noticed the same on another video object, but so far, not on most.

 

Has anyone else experienced this odd behavior, showing audio on both the video track and on its own at the same time?  (see image below)

Kami

 

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johnebaker wrote on 11/13/2015, 4:21 AM

Hi Kami

I have tested this in my MEP 2016 and have no problems with duplication of audio.

Which patch version of MEP do you have ?  The latest patch is 15.0.0.7.

HTH

John EB

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browj2 wrote on 11/13/2015, 9:14 AM

Hi Kami,

How did you delete the audio? Ungroup, delete the audio part?

It looks very much like you did something else, like Restore original sound.

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johnebaker wrote on 11/13/2015, 12:42 PM

Hi

Just tested John CB's answer and I can the replicate the sound tracks to get what you have under the following conditions only-

  1. Seperate the audio but do not delete it
     
  2. Restore audio.

Nice one John CB.

HTH

John EB

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Kami_1 wrote on 11/13/2015, 5:07 PM

V. 15.0.0.77 (UDP3)

Hi Kami

I have tested this in my MEP 2016 and have no problems with duplication of audio.

Which patch version of MEP do you have ?  The latest patch is 15.0.0.7.

HTH

John EB

 

Kami_1 wrote on 11/13/2015, 5:08 PM

Yes, using the single object mouse.

Hi Kami,

How did you delete the audio? Ungroup, delete the audio part?

It looks very much like you did something else, like Restore original sound.

 

Kami_1 wrote on 11/13/2015, 5:12 PM

My intent was to delete the audio.  I do that with audio which has only loud background noises; it's easier than editing it.  I know I can also mute the audio, but sometimes I import audio to replace what was there.  Having blank spaces on the audio track makes it easy to find space for imported audio.

Kami

 

Hi

Just tested John CB's answer and I can the replicate the sound tracks to get what you have under the following conditions only-

  1. Seperate the audio but do not delete it
     
  2. Restore audio.

Nice one John CB.

HTH

John EB

 

browj2 wrote on 11/13/2015, 5:57 PM

Kami,

Did you ungroup the video object and then delete the audio object? If so, then the audio should be gone.

I don't recommend using the same track for bringing in external audio; use a separate track.

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Kami_1 wrote on 11/13/2015, 11:36 PM

Yes, ungroup then delete.  I have MEP set to separate the audio and video on import. 

Look again at my second picture.  They're on separate tracks, but you can see audio on the video track as well as the audio track.  Interestingly, it doesn't look like the same audio.

 

Kami,

Did you ungroup the video object and then delete the audio object? If so, then the audio should be gone.

I don't recommend using the same track for bringing in external audio; use a separate track.

 

johnebaker wrote on 11/14/2015, 4:33 AM

Hi Kami

. . . . it doesn't look like the same audio. . . . .

If I am not mistaken the audio object that is on the lower track of your second image is the audio from the second video object in the first image as shown below

 

Is this correct?

If you still have the original images can you post an image showing all of the two objects in the cropped image above and the controls just above the timeline?

John EB

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Kami_1 wrote on 11/14/2015, 11:57 AM

Hi,

I had intentionally deleted the audio track from the space you point to, but I don't remember moving the preceding unmatching audio track. (I used the single Object mouse.)  However, I looked at the original footage in MEP.  I didn't makes scaps because I wasn't sure of the exact few seconds, especially with some of the edited video being cut out. 

The only piece with matching audio is the object on the right in the first scap.  I couldn't even figure out which video the other audio originally belonged to.  You're right, however, that the other audio came from somewhere else. 

This was just a curiousity to me, not a problem,   But I have to admit that I find it a bit eerie to see both audio tracks!  

Thanks!

 

Hi Kami

. . . . it doesn't look like the same audio. . . . .

If I am not mistaken the audio object that is on the lower track of your second image is the audio from the second video object in the first image as shown below

Is this correct?

John EB

 

browj2 wrote on 11/18/2015, 11:26 PM

Hi Kami,

Just to show you a problem that I had, here is the text for a ticket that I raised:

A/V objects out of sync: another strange one, I separated A/V onto 2 tracks (Ctrl+H). They were still grouped together. I managed to get the audio and the video objects out of sync by using mouse mode for a track (shortcut 8). It doesn't happen right away and I don't know exactly when it happens or what causes it, but it could be related to having another object that is not audio on track 2, like a title linked to a photo that was ungrouped, and then moving objects around on track 1 eventually causes strange behaviour on track 2. I have attached a screen shot. I had a lot of objects on track 1 that had the audio mislocated.

For better resolution.

Watch out for somehow getting the audio part out of sync.

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Kami_1 wrote on 12/3/2015, 11:30 AM

That is strange since they're grouped.

Did you get a reply to the ticket about this?  Not exactly the same ... I've been cutting footage from videos.  In the current one I'm working on, non-adjacent video footage, even a couple of minutes away, has spaces between video objects.  I've been very careful to use the correct mouse track mode for cutting video and the mouse object mode for cutting audio.  So I don't know how the video separation is occurring. 

Hi Kami,

Just to show you a problem that I had, here is the text for a ticket that I raised:

A/V objects out of sync: another strange one, I separated A/V onto 2 tracks (Ctrl+H). They were still grouped together. I managed to get the audio and the video objects out of sync by using mouse mode for a track (shortcut 8). It doesn't happen right away and I don't know exactly when it happens or what causes it, but it could be related to having another object that is not audio on track 2, like a title linked to a photo that was ungrouped, and then moving objects around on track 1 eventually causes strange behaviour on track 2. I have attached a screen shot. I had a lot of objects on track 1 that had the audio mislocated.

For better resolution.

Watch out for somehow getting the audio part out of sync.

 

browj2 wrote on 12/3/2015, 11:57 AM

There was no explanation from Magix, and I can't replicate what happened, although it has happened more than once. I think that it may have had somethnig to do with image objects on track 1 and then something that was not audio placed on track 2. Then maybe I moved the object on track 2 in single track mouse mode, which may have moved the grouped audio objects separate from the video part. As I say, I can't replicate this. I'll watch in other versions if this happens, as I'm not using 2015 anymore.

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Kami_1 wrote on 12/4/2015, 12:52 PM

Hmmm ... I do similar things, like putting audio objects on track 3, which is where the title objects are.  So maybe you're right.

I think that it may have had somethnig to do with image objects on track 1 and then something that was not audio placed on track 2. Then maybe I moved the object on track 2 in single track mouse mode, which may have moved the grouped audio objects separate from the video part.