A query relating to slideshows

me_again wrote on 12/18/2021, 4:55 AM

Greetings

This is really a continuance of my post nearly half way down this page https://www.magix.info/us/forum/release-movie-edit-pro-2022-your-experiences-your-movies--1281607/ which is the original post about MEP 2022. I was going to post this query there but decided against it (as you may have noticed!) so apologies if that's wrong.

I've had a major problem trying to create a slideshow with initially 254 photos - a number comfortably handled by MEP 2021 and indeed mostly by MEP 2022. This morning MEP 2022 went through the process of (apparently) loading every photo into memory with 100% disk usage; the amount of available RAM being almost 10Gb so I can only imagine that Virtual Ram(?) was being used. When I tried to modify a photo MEP 2022 stuttered and paused for an average of 3 seconds before letting me perform another task. Re-converting the pictures gave a slight improvement.

Other photos that are much larger in size don't normally give this problem.

The exif data for the SLOW photo:

---- ExifTool ----
ExifTool Version Number         : 12.37
---- File ----
File Name                       : Slow.jpg
Directory                       : .
File Size                       : 440 KiB
File Modification Date/Time     : 2008:01:11 01:08:18+00:00
File Access Date/Time           : 2021:12:18 10:10:41+00:00
File Creation Date/Time         : 2021:12:18 10:08:55+00:00
File Permissions                : -rw-rw-rw-
File Type                       : JPEG
File Type Extension             : jpg
MIME Type                       : image/jpeg
Image Width                     : 1024
Image Height                    : 1536
Encoding Process                : Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample                 : 8
Color Components                : 3
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling            : YCbCr4:4:4 (1 1)
---- JFIF ----
JFIF Version                    : 1.02
Resolution Unit                 : None
X Resolution                    : 100
Y Resolution                    : 100
---- Ducky ----
Quality                         : 68%
---- APP14 ----
DCT Encode Version              : 100
APP14 Flags 0                   : [14], Encoded with Blend=1 downsampling
APP14 Flags 1                   : (none)
Color Transform                 : YCbCr
---- Composite ----
Image Size                      : 1024x1536
Megapixels                      : 1.6

and for a "GOOD" photo

---- ExifTool ----
ExifTool Version Number         : 12.37
---- File ----
File Name                       : OK.jpg
Directory                       : .
File Size                       : 1647 KiB
File Modification Date/Time     : 2013:08:13 14:44:14+01:00
File Access Date/Time           : 2021:12:18 10:10:02+00:00
File Creation Date/Time         : 2021:12:18 10:09:05+00:00
File Permissions                : -rw-rw-rw-
File Type                       : JPEG
File Type Extension             : jpg
MIME Type                       : image/jpeg
Exif Byte Order                 : Little-endian (Intel, II)
Current IPTC Digest             : a38e23ea520f091f61ab1bd98200cdc1
Image Width                     : 2000
Image Height                    : 3000
Encoding Process                : Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample                 : 8
Color Components                : 3
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling            : YCbCr4:2:2 (2 1)
---- EXIF ----
Make                            : Canon
Camera Model Name               : Canon EOS 550D
Orientation                     : Horizontal (normal)
X Resolution                    : 72
Y Resolution                    : 72
Resolution Unit                 : inches
Software                        : ACD Systems Digital Imaging
Modify Date                     : 2013:08:13 12:24:21
Y Cb Cr Positioning             : Centered
Exposure Time                   : 1/200
F Number                        : 13.0
Exposure Program                : Manual
ISO                             : 1600
Exif Version                    :
Date/Time Original              : 2013:07:06 01:45:39
Create Date                     : 2013:07:06 01:45:39
Shutter Speed Value             : 1/200
Aperture Value                  : 13.0
Exposure Compensation           : 0
Max Aperture Value              : 2.8
Subject Distance                : 1.54 m
Metering Mode                   : Multi-segment
Flash                           : Off, Did not fire
Focal Length                    : 24.0 mm
Sub Sec Time                    : 643
Sub Sec Time Original           : 29
Sub Sec Time Digitized          : 29
Color Space                     : sRGB
Exif Image Width                : 2000
Exif Image Height               : 3000
Focal Plane X Resolution        : 5728.176796
Focal Plane Y Resolution        : 5808.403361
Focal Plane Resolution Unit     : inches
Custom Rendered                 : Normal
Exposure Mode                   : Manual
White Balance                   : Auto
Scene Capture Type              : Standard
Compression                     : JPEG (old-style)
Thumbnail Offset                : 735
Thumbnail Length                : 6452
Thumbnail Image                 : (Binary data 6452 bytes, use -b option to extract)

plus more that doesn't look relevant.

I don't really understand any of the data here but 3 lines in each list strike me as curious -

SLOW - Resolution Unit: None X Resolution: 100 Y Resolution: 100

GOOD - Resolution Unit: inches X Resolution: 72 Y Resolution: 72

I know my system is now below par but it does handle 4K with no problem and most of the photo work I do. I've already asked my son to build me a bespoke system but that won't be until Easter 2002 at the earliest, apparently a new kitchen is far more important!!

Any Ideas?

AndyW

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CubeAce wrote on 12/18/2021, 8:25 AM

@me_again

Hi Andy.

I think the problem is in the colour spacing in the line.

Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling            : YCbCr4:4:4 (1 1)

Normally a jpeg would read

Colour space YUV

Chroma Subsampling 4:2:2

I have seen others here with problems with Cr4:4:4 colour profiles in the past. Normally from Canon cameras so far.

The GOOD - Resolution Unit: inches X Resolution: 72 Y Resolution: 72 is a reference to printers as to how many dots per inch to print the image at.

The Slow version is possibly how many dots per inch to print at to reduce noise in the image when you print and get above a certain ISO value.

Also why does the file say Modified? Has it been edited and if so what program did you use or did you make a jpeg from a raw file in camera? I ask because it is an amazingly small file data wise from a 16MP camera.

Ray.

 

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me_again wrote on 12/18/2021, 9:50 AM

@CubeAce

Thanks for the reply Ray it's made things a little clearer; I now know what to look out for.

Having said that, I've now checked some photo's with YCbCr4:4:4 (1 1) that i've used before for slideshows that worked with MEP 2021 and they've all shown the same problem in MEP 2022.

As for the Slow.jpg being modified I can't really answer that. These are some pics that my father took with his new Minolta at the time and I can only assume he converted them to jpg with something - probably the software that came with the camera. It's a little tricky to ask him if you get my meaning.

AndyW

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CubeAce wrote on 12/18/2021, 10:49 AM

@me_again

Hi Andy.

I've just noticed the original file was taken in 2008 and presumably has been edited as the file size is so small and the quality setting of 68% is unusual. Quality settings normally increase in different percentage numbers to that.

There are a few other anomalies of code lines I don't understand but only because I have never used the exiftool for data but tend to get stills data from my photo editing software.

My data looks more like this

File Size 15.2MB

ƒ/5.6

40.0 mm

Lens 24-70mm f2.8G

Focus Mode AF-C

AF-Area Mode Single

VR

AF Fine Tune ON(-1)

1/10

250

Flash (on, fired)

Hide EXIF

JFIFVersion - 1.02

X-Resolution - 300 dpi

Y-Resolution - 300 dpi

Compression - JPEG (old-style)

Make - NIKON CORPORATION

Orientation - Horizontal (normal)

Software - Capture NX-D 1.6.4 W

Date and Time (Modified) - 2021:03:13 15:53:26

Artist - Ray CubeAce

YCbCr Positioning - Centered

Reference Black White - 0 255 0 255 0 255

Copyright - All Rights Reserved 2019 Copyright Ray F

ISO Speed - 250

Sensitivity Type - Recommended Exposure Index

Exif Version - 0231

Date and Time (Original) - 2021:03:11 16:37:19

Date and Time (Digitized) - 2021:03:11 16:37:19

Components Configuration - Y, Cb, Cr, -4:2:2

Exposure Bias - 0 EV

Max Aperture Value - 2.8

Metering Mode - Multi-segment

Light Source - Unknown

Sub Sec Time - 25

Sub Sec Time Original - 25

Sub Sec Time Digitized - 25

Flashpix Version - 0100

Color Space - Uncalibrated

Sensing Method - One-chip color area

File Source - Digital Camera

Scene Type - Directly photographed

CFAPattern - [Red,Green][Green,Blue]

Custom Rendered - Normal

Exposure Mode - Auto

White Balance - Auto

Focal Length (35mm format) - 60 mm

Scene Capture Type - Standard

Gain Control - None

Contrast - Normal

Saturation - Normal

Sharpness - Normal

Subject Distance Range - Unknown

XMPToolkit - Image::ExifTool 12.30

Event - CHDT

Description - TATTOO PRIVATE EVENING VIP SHOWING

Category - ART

City - CHATHAM KENT UK

Credit - RAY F

Source - CHATHAM HISTORIC DOCKYARD TRUST

Supplemental Categories - TATTOO

Creator Tool - NIKON D500 Ver.1.14

Camera ID - 5783

Camera Type - Digital SLR

 

Ray.

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me_again wrote on 12/21/2021, 10:06 AM

Greetings all,

This problem seems to be fixed with the new patch to MEP 2022 version 111.

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Movie Studio 2025 Suite, Photo Manager Deluxe 13

Norton 360

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CubeAce wrote on 12/21/2021, 11:22 AM

@me_again

Glad it's fixed Andy. This patch is literally only hours released.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

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Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."