36 Hours of Testing MEP Premier Settings For Playback and Export.

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CubeAce wrote on 4/13/2020, 11:51 AM

@pmikep

Hi Mike. I've really no idea but not ruling anything out. What I am going to try to do for now is try to load windows onto the M. 2 drive and then inspect both the SSDs. Thankfully I was only using the M. 2 drive to work on MEP projects and they were all copies of projects. It may be that it takes me to the end of the week to do this as I have yet to get my old laptop going and connected to the Internet. Then I have got to find a memory stick with at least 8gig on it. Not sure if I have one. Then my son can take over remotely. He's the expert at these things, not me. Hopefully I can then get some answers. Some of my drives now have thousands of hours on them. I really need to replace them at some stage.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 4/13/2020, 12:15 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Your issues set me off checking my system, I normally replace my OS drive every 4 - 5 years, I checked my current drive, a Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 1TB, shock horror 😱, it has been in use since early 2012 - 8 years, through 3 major versions of Windows and 2 PC rebuilds not to mention a lot of video editing. Do not know how it has escaped being replaced.

Not taking any chances, to be replaced. New drive, same make/model, except 2TB and latest version, arrived today, going to be a re-install from scratch to get an absolutely clean OS and program installs.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

pmikep wrote on 4/13/2020, 1:14 PM

That's a pretty good run for a Seagate. I've got WD drives that have gone that long, full time in a Home Security DVR.

Usually Seagate drives fail softly - lots of seek errors. Which slows them down.

I use SpinRite to realign my drives and to collect diagnostics. Although the current version of SR doesn't work with new computers.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

johnebaker wrote on 4/13/2020, 1:40 PM

@pmikep

Hi

. . . . Usually Seagate drives fail softly - lots of seek errors. Which slows them down . . . .

That's the beauty of Seagate drives, they have excellent SMART monitoring and it warns you well before failure makes recovery impossible.

I have had a couple of WD drives fail catastrophically with no warning whatever and just outside warranty. The current 3 WD external drives (2.5") I have are proving reliable.

I was considering moving over to Samsung Evo 960, however for what I do there is no real advantage with them only a bigger hole in the wallet.

I compared them on my sons PC to mine and apart from programs starting up a little quicker there was no advantage to be gained.

John EB

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

pmikep wrote on 4/13/2020, 2:44 PM

My WD Blacks have done okay. (5 yr Warranty.) When they begin to vibrate, I've made warranty claims and WD has been good about it. (Even sent me a 2TB to replace a 1TB.)

I decided on the WD Blue SATA SSD for my first SSD. Slightly less expensive than the Samsung, almost as fast. (Some ppl were saying that the Samsung controller isn't compatible with Win10. (Which I find hard to believe.))

Also, as someone on Amazon had warned/advised, no real noticeable difference using M.2 for OS & App drive. Maybe 1 second vs. 3 seconds to open programs.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

CubeAce wrote on 4/14/2020, 9:41 AM

@johnebaker

@pmikep

Well I have hit my first problem. No USB sticks. I've had to put the windows install onto a micro USB card and that into a card reader. Not sure if the bios will pick that up or not. Will have to see. I have only ever bought 2 Seagate drives and both failed within months. Luck of the draw I guess. Never had real problem with WD or Deckstar drives. (DECKSTAR do a lot of drives for servers). I think it's a division of Hitachi. Crystaldisk can show how many hours a drive has been in use and it's health. My last WD drive that failed had 72,000 hours on it. As for the Samsung M. 2 drive, it's its predicted lifespan that's impressive.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

pmikep wrote on 4/14/2020, 11:09 AM

I've installed Windows from SD. Use Rufus. Might have to tap a key during boot to direct your BIOS to boot from the SD card.

Check out ntlite.com while you're at it. There's a free version that will do about 85% of what you might want.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

johnebaker wrote on 4/14/2020, 1:29 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . Deckstar drives. . . . . .

I presume you mean Hitachi Deskstar drives, now under the WD brand since 2018?

From personal experience over 20+ yrs, the Deskstars were not very reliable in PC's with the frequency of start/stopping, in servers they were OK because they never stop running, the disks are always spinning.

I do not allow Power management to turn off the hard disks - well I set the time-out to 10000 hrs as there is no never setting.

Seagate did go through a patch, a few years ago, where there were issues with the 'click of death' with some of their drives.

John EB

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

pmikep wrote on 4/14/2020, 1:39 PM

Yeah, starting and stopping drives is hard on them. I have most of mine set to spin all the time too. (Don't know how to do it on my Win10 box which I let sleep. Guess I'll find out how the spinners do with lots of power on cycles. But I set both on a mirror, so losing one shouldn't be a catastrophic.)

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

Scenestealer wrote on 4/14/2020, 5:42 PM

Seagate did go through a patch, a few years ago, where there were issues with the 'click of death' with some of their drives.

Yes I had that with a couple of Seagates do that back then so gave up on them in favour of WDs - So far so good. Funny thing is that one of them recovered after a year in a cupboard and has been working ever since!

Peter

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

CubeAce wrote on 4/15/2020, 4:01 AM

@Scenestealer

@johnebaker

@pmikep

Hi guys. As usual, Icouldn't give everyone that has contributed a notification.

Well, good news is I'm back online. Finished at 5:30am this morning. Took me ages to find my way around the bios changes my son had made on the initial setup and why I could not get the Windows 10 instilation from my Micro SD and card reader to work. Would not recognise any drive until I realised that the bios was set for a raid 0 boot, changed that. Still didn't work until I later realised after changing numerous settings back and forth that I was trying to install to the dead drive. Have got access to my email but lots of damage done. Lost access to my Cubase program for now as the dongle no longer recognises my copy of Cubase. Will have to see how well the automated systems at Steinberg work out. Now will have to reactivate all of MEPs plugins again. MEP installed no problem though. I now have the choice of not getting the nag screen or downloading that info program that pops up avery time I opened MEP and the store opens with full amount of plugins straight away. All drivers back up to date except the pc's audio driver that won't accept it's own program for monitoring. Say's the motherboard doesn't support it. Odd.

I have been very strict this time on loading all my programs before I start using anything and deleting setup files as I go along and setting up where what goes where file-wise. It's staggering but I've only used up 56gig of hard drive space so far compared to the 158gig when my system went down. I have a few more programs to go but I don't see where the other 122 gig was used up. Coudn't have all been temp files. Could it?

Anyway, will pop in now and then between setting up when I get fed up with installing stuff.

Take care.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 4/15/2020, 7:13 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . Finished at 5:30am this morning . . . .

Think I should be finished in about 3-4 days, installed Windows 1909 on new drive this morning, all software fresh install, last time took 5 days, however not installing everything I had on the previous OS drive.

John EB

 

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 4/15/2020, 10:01 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I haven't activated any content packs in Magix yet. Then when it's all set I'll mirror the drive this time. I'm fed up with all this reinstalling even though in theory a fresh reinstall should be faster at first which is why I'm taking more time over where data gets sent to, so I can thoroughly clean the C: drive in future and not worry about cleaning up the wrong bits of data. Magix at least is easier to set up than Cubase. It's been so long since I've had to sign in to Cubase.net that I'm having to go through all their verification processes again not only for the program but to recover the licences on my dongle which has miraculously now lost all of its permissions and is completely blank. I haven't added any additional internal or external drives either. It's my own fault, I should always use new hard drives for the C: drive when I build a new system but often don't as I have enough bills as it is 😉.

Also, I know I'm slow at doing all this as I get bored and lethargic doing repetitive tasks.

At least I know what most of the bios does now and that it is possible to install Windows via a micro USB card and reader. I tell you what, once it started it was a really fast install. Less than 20 minutes including making the installation customized. Just out of interest, I used the motherboards USB-C port. What I still don't understand is why when the motherboard in the bios correctly identified the M.2 drive, Windows still stated it couldn't be used.

Anyone any ideas on that?

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 4/15/2020, 10:49 AM

Hi Ray

. . . . in theory a fresh reinstall should be faster . . . .

That is why I have finally bit the bullet, I installed Windows 1909 on a friends computer after the 1909 update trashed it and the difference in performance was noticeable cf to the previous 1803 installation.

Not even started on the Magix software yet another 14 programs to install then onto the 'big stuff'.

. . . . What I still don't understand is why when the motherboard in the bios correctly identified the M.2 drive, Windows still stated it couldn't be used . . . .

The most common failure mode with SSD's is the controller, the BIOS will see the device as it only looks to see what it is and its ID, so long as it responds corectly that is it.. Windows actually tries to use and that is when the fault is discovered

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 4/15/2020, 11:25 AM

@johnebaker

And yet Windows has no trouble using it to record or get data from. I do know the Toshiba M.2 drive is unusual in that it uses the PCs memory to check itself for read / write errors in some way I don't fully understand. I also got the same message initially from the SSD but I can't remember which of the many changes I did in the bios fixed it. I do now have the ability to set up to 6 (I think, could be 9) user profiles in the bios. It may be an idea to start using them.

I started downloads with the Magix program simply because it was around 3:30am at that point, so figured the servers may not have been that busy. I think I was able to download between 8-15Mbps. Faster than I usually get normally anyway. I do hate having to reject all the extra, non MEP related apps. No, I do not want Norton security or Chrome as my default browser. I was happy to be able to reject the 'Keep me informed' nag program at least. Doesn't stop the emails though. MEP at present is also loading the shop content either very fast or it's already on my drive now. Not sure which.

Still back to downloading for now.

Ray.

 

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

Scenestealer wrote on 4/15/2020, 6:32 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Then when it's all set I'll mirror the drive this time.

Yes, Raid 1 would be a very good idea especially, as we have discussed recently, MEP will gain very little speed wise from 1x SSD C: drive, let alone 2x SSD's in Raid 0.

Peter

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

CubeAce wrote on 4/16/2020, 4:21 PM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

Yes, agreed.

As long as the second drive is either faster or at least the same speed and with the size of drive I'm using they are not that expensive. About the same price as a decent SD-XC memory card for my camera and around five times the data capacity.

Well, after having trouble trying to get my PC reading the rest of my internal hard drives (That made me sweat as I did have a small amount of project work I hadn't backed up) I found that I had made a copy of my e-licence controller for Cubase and reinitialized the product key. All I have to do now is activate all the rest of my MEP and Cubase product keys and I'm done. Cleaning up behind me all the time and I've only used around 70gig of my C: drive.

If I have lost any data, I can't remember what I've lost.

It's the best result I could have hoped for.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 4/17/2020, 3:20 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

New install on hard drive of everything (about 1/3rd way through) is looking good - Windows boot - after POST - and logged in < 10 secs, MEP to load and get project dialog ~ 8 secs, store populated in ~3 secs, audio tab similar.

Raid 1 for OS is definitely a good idea.

. . . . If I have lost any data, I can't remember what I've lost. . . . .

There's a joke in there somewhere, only I cannot remember it !

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 4/17/2020, 5:49 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

It was a misquote from the senior technician I used to work with that I always remembered, which was, 'I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken'. 😇 When you work in the entertainments' industry as any type of technician you can only make a specific mistake once. Repeat the mistake and you never get another call from the people who would use your services. Actors on the other hand can seemingly make as many mistakes as they like.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

CubeAce wrote on 4/18/2020, 7:58 AM

@Scenestealer @johnebaker @pmikep

Just ran the same tests again on the new installation of Windows from the same project I sent all of you using the same settings that I used for my best export times that I put on the thread earlier. As some of you may know, the only changes I've made to my installation is now I'm running on one SSD and not a particularly fast one with and upper transfer rate of 3gbps as opposed to some newer SSDs that can approach 6gbps. That and I seem to have about 100gbs of less gunk data clogging my new drive that has left me about the same amount of free space on the single drive that I had on the two drives in the 0 raid array. I have the same amount of programs loaded as before. So loading for best quality I can get.

So the new export results.

 

4K export time 13mins 35 secs plus or minus 3 secs. (Ran each export three times).

The main difference I'm seeing is the amount of processing now being done on the CPU as well. Could this be because of the lack of RAID in my system now?

1080p export time 5mins 33 secs plus or minus 2 secs.

Exporting at 1080p gave me a smart copy option that did not make one bit of difference to export times whether selected or not. Exporting at higher bit rates or quality settings made little difference as well. When I say made little difference, I mean less than a 5-second penalty.

So, Peter, it looks like your theory about the raid array was correct and possibly was slowing down the exports a bit although I should probably add it has made little to no difference to playback responsiveness.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

pmikep wrote on 4/18/2020, 11:29 AM

It's moot now, but were you using the Intel IAStor driver for RAID? Or doing it through WIndows' Storage Spaces?

Both are "soft" RAID.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

CubeAce wrote on 4/18/2020, 11:50 AM

Hi Mike.

It was set in the bios before Windows was loaded.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

pmikep wrote on 4/18/2020, 1:47 PM

Okay, that sounds like IAStor. It still uses a Windows driver. (I have an AMD RAID setup on my other box that's like that too. I enable RAID in BIOS, but need the AMD RAID for Windows for it to work. BTW, as I type this, I recall that the reason I didn't try an SSD on that box is because the Web said that an SSD boot drive would not work when RAID was selected in BIOS. Perhaps there is similarly some degradation in performance for you when RAID was selected?)

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

CubeAce wrote on 4/18/2020, 4:12 PM

@pmikep

Hi Mike.

You had me going to the Asus site to download the full motherboard manual 😁

Apparently it can use any type of drive I choose as far as I can make out.

Maybe you can make more sense of the information below.

From the manual. (It's a copy and paste portion)

1-6Chapter 1: Intel® RAID Configuration1.1.3 Intel® Rapid Storage Technology in UEFI BIOS To enter the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology in UEFI BIOS:1. Enter the BIOS Setup during POST. Refer to Chapter 3 in your motherboard’s user manual for details on entering and navigating through the BIOS Setup.2. Go to Advanced > PCH Storage Configuration, then set SATA Mode Selection to [Intel RST Premium With Intel Optane System Acceleration (RAID)]. Due to chipset limitation, when SATA ports are set to RAID mode, all SATA ports run at RAID mode together.3. Configure additional settings for your storage device and RAID configuration:• If you are using SATA storage devices, no additional settings are required. Please proceed to next step.• If you are using onboard M.2 cards, go to Advanced > PCH Storage Configuration, then set all the corresponding M.2 PCIE Storage RAID Support to [Enabled].• If you are using Hyper M.2 cards or PCIE SSDs, go to Advanced > CPU Storage Configuration, then set all the corresponding PCIE slots to [Hyper M.2 X16] or [PCIE X4 SSD Card] accordingly.

It's quite a long document and I'm still reading my way through it to see if there are other relevant settings to my setup.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."