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johnebaker wrote on 3/27/2025, 12:14 PM

@AAProds

Hi Al

You are at liberty to send a message to the author of the 'feedback' topics?

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Can-Dive wrote on 3/27/2025, 5:39 PM

@johnebaker @AAProds

I would have thought the Forum Moderators would have control to manage the Important Posts section. This past year, there were two posts started by members that discussed the release of VPX16 and MMS2025.

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/video-pro-x16-new-features-and-bug-repairs--1337652/?page=1

https://www.magix.info/us/forum/movie-studio-2025-released--1338423/?page=1

This is essentially Feedback for the current versions which should have replaced the Feedback posts for VPX15 and MMS2023. It's a little late now but something to consider when VPX17 and MMS2026 are released.

AAProds wrote on 3/27/2025, 7:29 PM

@johnebaker

You are at liberty to send a message to the author of the 'feedback' topics?

John, done. 😉

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Can-Dive wrote on 3/30/2025, 7:36 AM

@Reyfox

In video editing, which do you think will garner more "street cred" when asked what software you use? Where does that now leave VPX? Heck, even Vegas Pro offers more compelling reasons for someone to upgrade to it for pennies more than VPX, while you still can keep MMS as you learn Vegas Pro. Now, we are only talking about MMS users upgrading. What about someone looking from say PowerDirector/Filmora/Premiere Elements/etc.? You've basically eliminated all of those potential customers by not having a website, or a poorly designed one such as what VPX has now. No one goes into business expecting repeat customers to carry them forever. There is a need for growth, new customers, in order to stay in business. If Magix thinks like this, ignoring the VPX potential, VPX is dead.

VPX deserves better. A better website, better marketing, etc..
 

I'll respond to you questions even though some are probably rhetorical.

1. With regards to "street cred", VPX doesn't have any in that sense. It can't lay claim to being used on block buster films or in major Hollywood studios so it can't realistically compete in this professional space.

2. With regards to Vegas Pro having a more compelling reason to upgrade for just pennies more than VPX. I agree with you. The current purchase price of VPX is unjustifiable compared to Vegas Pro or Davinci Resolve Studio for that matter. It's so mispriced one may think its intentional. Remember, Magix is focusing its resources on Vegas Pro. It wants customers to buy Vegas Pro and it may be sacrificing VPX to ensure those thinking of a new editor choose Vegas Pro.

3. Keeping MMS while you learn Vegas Pro is a reality. @Gid is a prime example. In fact, keeping VPX and learning Vegas Pro is an even better scenario for Magix because of the higher annual upgrade pricing for both products as compared to MMS. As we learned in this post, upgrades to VPX over the past few years have been the same as MMS and yet its upgrade price is 4 times more. The same upgrade, but costs 4 times more. This year, VPX16 came with NB Infinite Looks. Does it justify this upgrade price differential? Infinite Looks is worthless if you upgraded with NB TotalFX a few years ago. So as I have indicated before, VPX is a great "upgrade" money maker product for Magix. In fact, the current offer below only proves my point. This upgrade applies not only to VPX users but for anyone who owns a Magix product such as MMS. Even if one doesn't own VPX, see if your account qualifies. You will be presently surprised.


https://www.magix.com/index.php?id=30752&L=52&C=220&sc_src=email_2770668&sc_lid=354978058&sc_llid=25&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=20250324_1004_2024_47_auto_01_VPxul_vdprx_UPS_PID213157&utm_content=Learn+more&utm_term=en&emac=1&potrk=24b6618b8d70e06b2df15e156fb5441e1df75e118bbd97f1dd2eb6ed5c7468a0&phash=QvJ3TxBQoMXJAmKu%C2%A0

Does Magix want customers to take advantage of this offer? Absolutely! It's another $50 in their pocket with potentially a higher revenue stream through annual upgrades. And the next VPX version is coming down the pipeline soon! I personally am not worried about VPX. It will grow "organically" through MMS as its seed. VPX will never die as long as MMS stays alive because in reality VPX is MMS. And MMS is very competitive in the consumer space.

4. What about someone looking from say PowerDirector/Filmora/Premiere Elements/etc.? The question to ask is why are they moving away from these editors? If they are considering a professional editor, VPX is not on their list anyway. Vegas Pro will be in the running as an alternative. If they are tired of the subscription model then again MMS will meet their needs and at a lower price of entry than VPX. They buy MMS. They like it and eventually will upgrade to VPX. Thats the strategy.   

5. Does VPX deserve better? Unfortunately, there is only so much marketing budget to go around and Magix cannot really afford to promote 3 video editors at this stage of its business life cycle. It doesn't really need to anyway because it only really owns 2 video editors. If Magix owned Movie Studio, Pinnacle Studio and Vegas Pro, then I can see your argument. These three products are completely separate editors. BUT VPX, as a separate product, was invented by a marketer not a programmer. Take VPX, turn off a number of features and you have MMS.

Here is my final analogy. Davinci Resolve vs Davinci Resolve Studio. Studio is Davinci Resolve with more advanced features. Exactly the same as MMS vs VPX. Does Davinci Resolve Studio have its own webpage to Davinci Resolve?

No.

Take a tip from a market leader...
 

Gid wrote on 3/30/2025, 8:34 AM

3. Keeping MMS while you learn Vegas Pro is a reality. @Gid is a prime example. In fact, keeping VPX and learning Vegas Pro is an even better scenario for Magix because of the higher annual upgrade pricing for both products as compared to MMS

@Can-Dive My transition to VP18 was easy & I moved very quickly away from MMS, yes I still learn things about VP but that's because there's so much more to it than meets the eye. Just to be clear I only bought VPX14 out of curiousity after I bought VP, I wasn't impressed & I've only updated MMS in the last 2-3yrs because it was cheap & because I was curious about how it would progress, one fortunate upgrade got me TotalFX but as far as I've seen MMS hasn't progressed, yes it got a new engine, a UI change, a few updates to keep it going & a few acquired AI fx's but at it's core it's still the same program it always has been. I've had MMS a long time, 20yrs-ish & I haven't put many vids out because of Covid & ill health but the last 1/4 of my 411 YT vids have been made with VP, so I won't be upgrading MMS again.

Magix Movie Studio 2025
Magix VPX14
Vegas Pro 22

Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

I first started editing in about 2004, my first Magix product was Magix Movie Edit 10,. At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

 

 

Reyfox wrote on 3/30/2025, 12:30 PM

@Can-Dive, Davinci Resolve webpage and Davinci Resolve Studio webpage. Different webpages. Outside of the additional features in Studio vs Free, the editing part of both of them is exactly the same. Exactly. That is not the case with MMS and VPX. It is same with Vegas Pro and Vegas Pro Suite. The same editor, with the difference in what is included.

You've stated that the upgrade pricing of VPX vs MMS is large considering what you get, usually the same features each year in each of them. The question is for the user, if the additional editing features of VPX are something they would need and continue to want. The ability to handle HDR, 10bit, etc., along with the more advanced tool set in VPX, are they needed. I shoot a lot in 10bit 4:2:2 4K. A lot. I also shoot video with my DJI Mini 3 Pro drone in 4K D-Cinelike, and none of that footage will work in MMS 2024 Suite. It all works in VPX14 though.

The "upgrade" price to Vegas Pro is higher, but you get much much more than what either MMS or VPX can offer. You also get an editor that is at least trying to move forward and remain a competitive option.

As for "deserving better". I'd be happy with a better website, like it was in the past.