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emmrecs wrote on 12/6/2021, 1:47 PM

@MineJOT1

Welcome to the Magix user to user forums.

First, you need to understand that the outside edges of any VHS tapes (where you can see the pixelated noise) are the "overscan" area, which, when you play the tape on your TV, is hidden automatically (by the TV). Unfortunately, perhaps, the process of digitising those tapes does NOT hide that area but rather passes it directly to the computer. Hence, when you playback the video file it can be seen. This is NOT any sort of fault with the video grabber or with your software; you are simply seeing the "full picture" which you may not normally see!

I frequently transfer VHS video tapes to computer and, almost without fail, that overscan area becomes visible on the transferred file. I use either the Section Effect of Movie Edit Pro or, more often, Video Pro X to cut off those extreme edges. Does RYVT offer any similar facility? If it does, but you are not sure how to use it, please post back. If it does not and you wish to remove this overscan you may need to consider upgrading your software to Movie Edit Pro.

HTH

Jeff
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MineJOT1 wrote on 12/12/2021, 5:59 AM

I don't think that it's overscan because, it is over the image.

emmrecs wrote on 12/12/2021, 10:16 AM

@MineJOT1

Thank you for the updated additional information. No, that is not overscan but looks rather more to me like a "fault" of some kind in the actual tape or with your tape player. Can you test this by playing the tape direct to a TV? Do you see the same colour aberrations then? If so, it is a problem with the tape or, possibly, the VHS player you are using. Do you have another video player you could also check this with?

Also, the patterning on the image (as well as the green/blue pixellation) is really picture noise, the sort of problem that the NeatVideo plugin is ideal for resolving. But, I don't think RYVT can use plugins so you may have to consider "upgrading" your software if you wish to remove this noise. Unfortunately, the cost to upgrade to something like Movie Edit Pro (and at least the Plus and, preferably, the Premium edition), along with the purchase of Neat Video, even the Home version, is not inconsiderable. 😭

Jeff

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MineJOT1 wrote on 12/12/2021, 2:09 PM

The tapes are okay because They work fine on other player and tv. I am gonna test the player that is attached to the to the tv with the grabber tomorrow

Update: I tried with the other player and its little bit better, but I realized that I can use obs virtual camera and Nvidia broadcast to filter out the noise and record the broadcast camera with another instance of obs. Its kinda sketchy, but Hey it works.

 

Update 2: some tapes apparently have more noise than other, but other tapes no problems.

johnebaker wrote on 12/14/2021, 12:18 PM

@MineJOT1

Hi

. . . . I don't think that it's overscan because, it is over the image. . . .

How did you take the 'screenshot' - direct on the computer ie using the PtScn/PrtSC/Print screen key and an image editor or use a mobile phone to take a picture of the monitor?

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MineJOT1 wrote on 12/14/2021, 1:45 PM

@MineJOT1

Hi

. . . . I don't think that it's overscan because, it is over the image. . . .

How did you take the 'screenshot' - direct on the computer ie using the PtScn/PrtSC/Print screen key and an image editor or use a mobile phone to take a picture of the monitor?

John EB
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I took the screenshot with PrintScreen

johnebaker wrote on 12/14/2021, 2:34 PM

@MineJOT1, @emmrecs

Hi

Thanks for the clarification that removes a potential issue.

Is the video tape/player an NTSC device?

If so, some of the banding and colour variation I can see in the image is/was common with this TV standard and digitisation tends to enhance it. The better the player quality, the better the filtering of the signal to reduce the colour variations.

The diagonal line pattern is too perfect to be random noise, the lines are indicative of a syncing issue between the 2 video heads and the sync information for each frame/field on the tape.

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

MineJOT1 wrote on 12/15/2021, 12:06 AM

@MineJOT1, @emmrecs

Hi

Thanks for the clarification that removes a potential issue.

Is the video tape/player an NTSC device?

If so, some of the banding and colour variation I can see in the image is/was common with this TV standard and digitisation tends to enhance it. The better the player quality, the better the filtering of the signal to reduce the colour variations.

The diagonal line pattern is too perfect to be random noise, the lines are indicative of a syncing issue between the 2 video heads and the sync information for each frame/field on the tape.

John EB

 

Both player and all tapes are PAL.

johnebaker wrote on 12/15/2021, 6:34 AM

@MineJOT1

Hi

Thanks for the confirmation - that rules out one issue.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

MineJOT1 wrote on 12/15/2021, 9:05 AM

I adjusted some rollers on the other player, because video on that player has been weird recently.

I need to test more with that player later.