I use pro x 13 with the nvidia 2070 super and it renders at blazing speed. Im going to upgrade to the nvidia 3080ti. Is the 3080 ti compatible? I have looked the forums over and there is no information.
Hi.
Graphics card compatibility is down to the cards supporting the graphics drivers needed for the program to run rather than whether a graphics card has any component issues or card slot issues. Sometimes a new set of graphics cards can be released before a program can use them as was the case with the last inboard Intel graphics chip but that is rare.
What is more likely is that the motherboard may not be able to fully unleash the full power of a new graphics card as it may be able to deliver more data than the rest of the system can handle within a given amount of time. So the graphics card ends up waiting to deliver its next batch of data into the rest of the system.
So the short answer is yes it will work with little to no problems but may not be able to work flat out on some systems, especially if that system is using slower DDR4 ram on the motherboard as opposed to the newer DDR5 ram. There will still be an increase in performance but not as much as there could be. On the other hand it will be ready for your next motherboard and CPU upgrade and still worthwhile doing depending on your current motherboard. If you are just upgrading an older motherboard using DDR3 ram then you are probably not going to notice that much improvement over your current graphics card.
Ray.
"Blazing" now and you're upgrading?! I'm gunna cry!! 😂
Hi
As @AAProds has commented if the system is already 'blazing' then the upgrade is, IMHO, not going to make the system significantly 'more blazing'.
Unless there another reason for upgrading from the RTX 2070 Super to a RTX 3080, or you are seeing the 2070 maxing out, then the performance increase with video you are likely to see is 'relatively small' to be a cost effective move.
HTH
John EB
Forum Moderator
Hi.
They may be gaming as well and upgrading the video card for that purpose but just checking its compatibility with VPX before proceeding. If it is that type of rig they may well benefit in VPX as well.
Ray.
Thank everyone for the quick reply. My 2070 super died after a few years use. I have used Magix for years and just love it. Video cards are very expensive so i wanted to make sure it was compatible with Video pro x 13 before i made the investment. Yes i was concerned about the Nvidia 30 series cards LHR [lite hash rate] affecting video rendering. The 2070 super was a very fast gpu for rendering and i hope the 3080ti will give me the same speed.
Thank you. Al Sena
The card is much more powerful than your older card. It will only be held back by the rest of your systems performance. Certainly a card you should later be able to use on a newer motherboard and processor when the time comes. That's assuming you are putting the card into the same system the 2070 came out of.
I wonder why your old card died? I've used graphics cards for years and never had one die but I guess that is just the luck of the draw.
I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Ray.
Ray. The high end cards draw a lot of watts and run very hot. My case is well vented and cooled but i think you are right its the luck of the draw or maybe i need a better power supply. Its a mystery that has me scratching my head lol. Thanks for the reply. Al Sena.
@alsena Hi, I have an RTX 3090 SUPRIM, no prob in MEP22 & i gather VPX is the same engine? Yep as you would expect super fast, a 25min simple 4k project with no fxs renders in 8mins-ish, I don't think you'll have a problem,
can you go to your icon at the top, click it - My Profile, & fill in your Signature with your Magix version, Windows version & system specs, full name of CPU, GPU, & amount of RAM etc. this will then show at the bottom of the comments 👍 thanks.
Hi.
It is possible with all nvidia cards to both monitor their performance and if need be throttle them back a bit to keep thermals under control. I never let any of my components get above 75℃. Most of the time even in this hotter weather they stay around 65℃ during rendering. Motherboard components around 40℃. CPU generally around 55 to 65℃. I'm only running a 1630 Super though so I suppose if I added a similar card those other components would get hotter quicker.
It also depends on what is being rendered.as some effects seem to be more CPU intensive than GPU intensive. Sometimes my internal Intel GPU works harder than the nvidia card even though I don't normally select the Intel chip for hardware acceleration it often gets pressed into service for 3D rendering. The same goes for ram use. A lot more motherboard ram gets used in my system when doing custom titling. Up to24GBs worth and the nvidia vram and processing capabilities are hardly touched. The CPU gets a good workout then.
@Former user
Hi Gid.
& i gather VPX is the same engine?
Supposedly, but at least one generation behind at any one time. Certainly, rendering the same project in VPX 12 takes less time than it does with MEP 2022 on my machine.
Ray.
@Former user
Hi Gid
. . . . Yep as you would expect super fast, a 25min simple 4k project with no fxs renders in 8mins-ish . . .
This need qualifying a little:-
Was this just video clips no titles, crossfades etc?
Was the export codec h.264 or h.265?
For the same length project using 4K UHD video with a mix of crossfades and cuts, I get an export time of about 4m 30 secs for h.264 and 8m 20 secs for h.265 - both 4K UHD on my laptop - RTX 2060, I would expect my PC to be in the same ball park as it has a RTX 2060 as well.
Note: the Intel UHD630 was not assisting during the exports.
John EB
@johnebaker @Former user
It's just taken me one hour twenty four minutes to render one minute of 4K footage 😂.
Admittedly it has 18 tracks of combined video clips and 20MP stills with at least two effects on each of the fifty objects.
Ray.
@johnebaker Sorry been a while since i ran that test,
these are the files i used, (ignore the 3 at the top, they're the exports) all 16:9 created by either MEP or Vegas 8bit AVC 3840 x 2160, there might be an odd one or two files in there but this is just a bunch of files i put together to test for my own...
I have it with a 12 frame crossfade on all as that is my default for my YT vids, i prefer a small crossfade rather than a hard cut,
This AVC Export with no crossfades,
with or without crossfades made no difference to the export times,
AVC export took 5mins
HEVC export took 10mins,
@Former user @johnebaker
Hi.
Other variables would be average bit rate, GOP structure and frame rates. All of which would make differences to export times. I can only see the frame rates.
Ray.
@Former user, @CubeAce
Hi
Thanks that clears up a lot of 'if and /or buts'.
Interesting the the RTX 3090 is maxxed out most of the time, my 2080 was hovering between 85 and 98% - will try again with some 'higher action' video clips, the Iguana was the fastest moving object in the test - they just stroll along the paths and don't have a care in the world 😁
Which drivers are you using for the RTX 3090 - mine are the latest GRD drivers 516.59 (31.0.15.1659) - I stopped using the Studio drivers a couple of versions back.
Ray -
. . . . Other variables would be average bit rate, GOP structure and frame rates. All of which would make differences to export times. . . .
Very true, though I would expect the impact may not be very great as decoding is a significantly faster then encoding
John EB
Hi,
@johnebaker the latest Studio Driver as that is 'recommended' for Vegas, i don't think i've ever seen that officially written anywhere, but apparently it's more stable & better tested
Hi John.
I have found largish differences when changing GOP structures. Especially using an all I frame export. If you then increase the allowed amount of bps as well as the average bit rate to allow for frame rate differences so the bits remain the same for each frame rather than reducing (which I find normally happens), that too impacts on export times.
Best I think for comparison tests to all have the same export settings as well as video files as those as well can vary greatly for the same resolution and frame rates. This I think comes down to the phot-site count of the camera sensor as well as the amount of compression the camera manufacturer settles on.
Ray.
@CubeAce Yeah in an ideal world 😉👍 Most of my footage is from my phone, it says in the settings 30p but the files are 29.97 variable, the rates can vary quite a bit, so that random bunch of files in my test is good enough for me, & I use AVC 99% of the time so 5mins to export 25mins of 4k is more than good enough 😁👍👍
@Former user
Yes, very clean footage it is too.
I wonder if it is down to your relatively newer and more powerful GPU that you don't suffer problems with variable frame rates?
Ray.
Hi Ray
. . . . . largish differences when changing GOP structures. Especially using an all I frame export. . . . .
The changes I am seeing are minimal, changing GOP structure is < 2% difference and the All-Intra export is actually faster by 2%. - 4K UHD h.264 25 fps source videos and export setting.
John EB
Hi John.
I'm not running an RTX 2060 and I do up my bit rates quite bit and all my source video is 50fps at 100mb/s 😞.
From source file.
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1 s 800 ms
Bit rate : 9 587 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 10.2 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 10.2 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Or
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.2
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 38 s 960 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 100.0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Exported file Data.
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.2
Format settings : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP : N=1
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate : 141 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Ray.
I wonder if it is down to your relatively newer and more powerful GPU that you don't suffer problems with variable frame rates?
Ray.
@CubeAce Dunno 🤷♂️🤣 I might try make some Constant clips & see if there's a difference when i add fxs
@CubeAce, @Former user
Hi Gid, Ray
AFAICS the issue is not hardware related, with VFR video we do know from previous topics on the syncing issue that wide variance between the lowest and highest framerate VFR video affects syncing of the audio.
I have no issue with VFR from my mobile phone, which usually has a variance within ± 5 frames, often less than ± 2 frames, and syncing of audio.
John EB
@Former user @johnebaker
Hi John.
To quote Gid .
"Most of my footage is from my phone, it says in the settings 30p but the files are 29.97 variable, the rates can vary quite a bit, so that random bunch of files in my test is good enough for me"
Is what I was going on, so the question would be how much does the frame rate vary by in worst case scenario?
Hi Gid. Do you have a MediaInfo example please?
Ray.