Noise Sample Query MS 2024

me_again wrote on 12/6/2023, 8:28 AM

Greetings,

Apologies before I satrt as I've searched the forum and can't fine anything relevant to MS 2024

I'm editing a few digitised VHS files that are circa 1989. At the time the camera I had gave good pictures but the saund was like everone talking at 1000Hz and perversley had a conitnuous low pitch hum.

the tinny voices I can fix fairly wasily as I can with the hum HOWEVER I can't seem to be able to save the relevant noise sample in MS2024 as I have in many previous versions.

Attached is the error message I receive after clicking "Save noise sample as .... Your thoughts will be much appreciated.

AndyW

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browj2 wrote on 12/6/2023, 9:18 AM

@me_again

Hi Andy,

Just tried it in MMS2024, no problem. Did you click on Create Noise Sample first?

BTW, I find that the quality is very poor with the remainder sounding tinny. Amost anything else works better.

The best that I've found is in this link. Truly amazing. I missed using the beta code so I didn't get it, much to my chagrin.

Second best is iZotope RX10 Repair Assistant (VST3 only), then RX10 Voice De-noise. This comes with Sound Forge Audio Cleaning Lab 4. Note my bugs on this program. Can't open it from MMS, which is annoying.

There is also ERA (ERA 6 Noise Remover from Accusonics, which became free and then no longer available. but I found a link to get it. I'll let you know if it works.

John CB

browj2 wrote on 12/6/2023, 9:42 AM

@me_again

Hi Andy,

ERA 6 works and there is ERA6 NoiseRemoverPro which works the best. It's all free.

Here is the link. Make sure to click on the correct downloads.

No pw required, just unrar and install.

Mackie purchased Accusonus, discontinued but gave away the software, and has now removed the links from their site.

John CB

CubeAce wrote on 12/6/2023, 11:28 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

The link you gave was immediately sandboxed by my system saying the site was infected.

Ray.

emmrecs wrote on 12/6/2023, 1:29 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

I obviously don't know which security software you're running but it was no problem for me to access the linked site and download the software. And no undesirable "extras" that my AV has seen!

@browj2

Hi John,

Thanks for the link.

Jeff

johnebaker wrote on 12/6/2023, 1:54 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . The link you gave was immediately sandboxed by my system saying the site was infected. . . .

No problem here either - I downloaded the software about 5 mins after @browj2 posted - thanks from me as well.

Which AV are you using?

John EB

CubeAce wrote on 12/6/2023, 3:54 PM

@johnebaker @emmrecs @browj2 @me_again

Hi Jeff, John.

Here is the warning I got.

Sorry for the delay, I've been out.

Ray.

AAProds wrote on 12/6/2023, 5:53 PM

@browj2

Gday John, I've installed it but now what? Is it a plugin in Magix, because all I have in the Windows Program menu is an uninstall option. I can't see any way of actually running the program or finding it in Magix.

browj2 wrote on 12/6/2023, 11:15 PM

@AAProds

Hi Al,

After opening (unzipping the rar file, you get an exe that you have to run that will install VST2, VST3 and AAX files. I uncheck the latter. A folder will be created:

C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins\accusonus

with everything under it.

You will probably have to reboot.

In any program, VPX, MMS, audio program..., rescan the VSTPlugins folder or the ...accusonus folder under VST plugins (Program Settings, Folders in VPX/MMS).

After that, they will be available to you in VPX/MMS under the Mixer, FX for any track.

John CB

me_again wrote on 12/7/2023, 2:00 AM

@browj2

Greetings John,

All I can say is WOW!! and thanks for the link. I've not played with all the plugins yet bit the denoiser (even the default setting) is brilliant, hum gone and voices clear. Now all I've got to do is find how to remove wind noise.

More playing is required ☺️

Thanks again - AndyW

AAProds wrote on 12/7/2023, 5:20 AM

@browj2

John, cooking with gas now, thanks a lot. Seems to work really well. The Mixer is voodoo stuff to me. Only only vaguely remembered it existed.

Nothing appears on the audio object indicating an FX has been applied. Is that normal?

me_again wrote on 12/7/2023, 5:46 AM

Hmm, I've found a small problem - with noiseremover anyway.

While it works fine on a clip, if I split that clip I can't have a different level of noise remover on the second section of the same clip.

Or have I missed something?

AndyW

EDIT - Just had a strong cup of tea and realised that the audios need to be on a different track to have a different effect.

I'll leave this comment here in case some other person is as confused as I was - temporarily obviously!!

browj2 wrote on 12/7/2023, 8:47 AM

@AAProds

Hi Al,

Nothing appears on the audio object indicating an FX has been applied. Is that normal?

Yes. The effect is on the track, not the object. Anything that is on that track will get that effect.

@me_again

Hi Andy,

While it works fine on a clip, if I split that clip I can't have a different level of noise remover on the second section of the same clip.

As above, anything on that track is affected. To do what you want, use more than one track.

Unfortunately, VPX/MMS do not have the capability to put VST effects on audio objects. This is on my wish list and we need more users to petition Magix to get this.

Magix could reply that one should use Music Editor or SF Audio Cleaning Lab or, and I don't particularly like them, SF Audio Studio or SF Pro. I agree somewhat with this. Adding VST effects adds to the computing overhead. Where I have to, I do a Mixdown, and send the audio to SF Audio Cleaning Lab where I have access to VST effects and Spectral Cleaning.

If you have short audio problems, like a click, door closing, touching a mic, a cough, etc., the Spectral Cleaning tool is quite good at removing these. I compare this to removing a blemish in a photo. However, with Steinberg SpectraLayers Elements that comes with SFACL4, you get a whole new level. Due to Magix not actually testing to see if it works properly with SFACL4, you have to use the standalone (comes with SFACL4). This is where there is real Voodoo happening. You can isolate different instruments and more. Noise removal is very extensive. This all takes learning and effort. Go on to the full SpectraLayers and you are in a whole new world.

Jeff, I believe, is the resident expert on iZotope RX tools.

We are not audio experts, but sometimes we need to be. See my tutorials on Everything Audio in MEP/MMS/VPX to get a better grasp of the tools that we have available.

John CB