MMM 17 & Third Party Loops

joeymixx wrote on 2/26/2011, 10:25 PM

This question is for anyone who understands the legal language in the license for MMM 17. The scenario is if you by a soundpool from a third party which grants you permission to use for commercial songs, does MMM 17 have a restriction on this, or object to this. There is a perception out there that MMM 17 is only for private/home use and cannot be used for commercial music like Reason or FL studios based on my reading/reasearch/google.

 

Maybe someone can find a clear statement from Magix directly but posted on their site, not from e-mail or asking customer support. I just feel like buying MMM 16 and not deal with the fuzzy new details/contradictions. I cannot understand why this is not clear and upfront to begin with as it prevents people from buying the newer versions. I am interested in making commercial music, and cannot play an instrument.

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01748563545 wrote on 2/26/2011, 11:13 PM

ach scheisse egal wo ich hier bin, mm17 ist voll ne beta version. nichts funzt, nicht mal update . mm17 nicht auf ihren system.  zu doooooooooofffff umm es zu finden is halt auf ner anderen hdd. man man#

joeymixx wrote on 2/27/2011, 8:04 AM

I put the below in a translator and it made no sense. Can you please tell us in English?
 

ach scheisse egal wo ich hier bin, mm17 ist voll ne beta version. nichts funzt, nicht mal update . mm17 nicht auf ihren system.  zu doooooooooofffff umm es zu finden is halt auf ner anderen hdd. man man#

Procyon wrote on 2/27/2011, 9:24 AM

I don't understand why you're having so much trouble wrapping your head around this.  We've done our best to make this clear for you.  Here's one more try....

 

You CAN use MM-17 to make tracks for commercial use!  You DO NOT need to purchase MM-16 or any other version.

It is ONLY THE SOUNDPOOL in MM-17 that is restricted.

 

Yes, when you purchase MM-17, you are only paying for a Private license for the soundpool.  You CAN purchase an Audio Pro Unlimted license for the Soundpool 17 on CATOOH.

 

http://www.catooh.com/us/sys/id/Katalog/area/mediaDetails/item_id/222980/

 

Yes, it's true that MAGIX has done a poor job of making things clear.

 

You can also purchase ANY of the previous royalty-free soundpool collections and use them in MM-17 for commercial purposes!  Soundpools 9-16 are readily available.  You can also use any other third-party audio media that you have the rights (license) to use.

joeymixx wrote on 2/27/2011, 9:50 AM

Procyon, the reason I am having so much trouble and uneasiness with this is because as you said Magix has done a poor job of clarifying things. In any business transaction, the terms in writing count. An an employee can reply to you via email from Magix saying it is ok, but what counts is the official terms written out which is legally binding, no verbal contracts in business count. Same when buying property, a car, or getting a loan, the written contract is what is legally binding.

 

That is the reason I am having trouble getting it clear. Would you buy a car and obtain a loan with no legal terms clearly written out? What if the terms just happen to change? Magix can easily sue later on because they never clearly stated one way or the other the terms of commercial use, and in this day and age, it is better to CYA (cover your assets) and get things in writing to avoid a legal consequence later down the road which can be costly. I cannot find anywhere on Magix's site where this is clearly stated and legally binding. I would not have written this question on this forum if Magix was clear from the beginning.

 

I appreciate your help and input and please don't think that I am trying to give anyone a difficult time over this issue, but unfortunately saying it is ok, and showing me written proof are two different things.

Business 101, get it in writing.
 

I don't understand why you're having so much trouble wrapping your head around this.  We've done our best to make this clear for you.  Here's one more try....

 

You CAN use MM-17 to make tracks for commercial use!  You DO NOT need to purchase MM-16 or any other version.

It is ONLY THE SOUNDPOOL in MM-17 that is restricted.

 

Yes, when you purchase MM-17, you are only paying for a Private license for the soundpool.  You CAN purchase an Audio Pro Unlimted license for the Soundpool 17 on CATOOH.

 

http://www.catooh.com/us/sys/id/Katalog/area/mediaDetails/item_id/222980/

 

Yes, it's true that MAGIX has done a poor job of making things clear.

 

You can also purchase ANY of the previous royalty-free soundpool collections and use them in MM-17 for commercial purposes!  Soundpools 9-16 are readily available.  You can also use any other third-party audio media that you have the rights (license) to use.

Procyon wrote on 2/27/2011, 11:14 AM

Well, I guess the problem comes down to the fact that you're asking people who may, or may not, be giving you the correct information.  Even when you do get the correct information, you're not satisfied and basically keep asking us the same questions over and over again.

 

What you want is an iron-clad guarantee in writing, and no one on this forum can give you that.

 

First of all, the EULA on the MAGIX main website is too general and basically useless for anything other than the software itself.  To get the accurate, detailed information on the soundpools, you need to read the specific license agreements provided on the CATOOH link I provided earlier.  Unfortunately, they do not provide the information in a form that is easily saved for your records.

 

The only way you're going to get the iron-clad guarantee you're looking for is to contact MAGIX and get it all spelled out in writing from their attorneys.  Good luck with that!

 

It's doubtful that they can switch horses after they've been let out of the barn.  It would be next to impossible to enforce.  That's why all of the soundpools prior to SP-17 are still royalty free.

 

It should be noted that I've heard of no systematic sweep by MAGIX attorneys against MAGIX users.  That's not to say that can't happen. In the end, that would ultimately be self-defeating - no one would purchase their products. If you play by the rules, you should have little to worry about.