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CubeAce wrote on 1/27/2024, 6:08 AM

@yanivez

Hi.

First make sure that your operating system and graphics drivers are both completely up to date by visiting the relevant websites. You cannot rely on Windows to keep you up to date for this. Manually search such things out.

If that doesn't work then upload a suspect file to Google drive and make it available to be downloaded either here in this topic or invite anyone who replies here via a personal message to download the file for testing to see if a bug has crept into the programs.

Last but not least, it is important that you publish your complete system specs in your signature section as a lot of problems often start at the hardware level. See this post for those details.

Ray.

 

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yanivez wrote on 1/27/2024, 6:27 PM

Thanks, friend

I have been using this computer for the last 2 years to edit 360 videos without any problem.

this is for example the file - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_ru0tl35_jV32k4RGjXEa-NKoqUE0y3V/view?usp=sharing

my computer-

  • 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz   2.80 GHz
  • 32.0 GB memory
  • Windows 11 Home (22621.3007)
  • NVIDIA MX450

Thanks

 

 

CubeAce wrote on 1/27/2024, 7:26 PM

Hi.

I can confirm I have the same results you are seeing.

The file though is not from a 360° camera but from some sort of app.

The file's attributes are not being read correctly upon loading into the program in either of my copies of MMS / MEP or VPX and refuses to see it as a 360° file.

I have not seen a video file with this recorded data attached to it before.

If you could keep that file available for a few more hours until @johnebaker comes online as he is more experienced than myself at the technical side of video content and may be able to come up with an explanation.

The file data I am seeing is as follows.

General
Complete name                            : C:\Downloads\360_RisingOfTheWave.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 70.8 MiB
Duration                                 : 25 s 3 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 23.7 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 60.000 FPS
Recorded date                            : 2023/03/17 21:59:20
Writing application                      : Lavf59.16.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L6
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 25 s 0 ms
Bit rate                                 : 23.7 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 320 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 2.000
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 60.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.042
Stream size                              : 70.7 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 164
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=36 / lookahead_threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=18 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=18 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 25 s 3 ms
Source duration                          : 25 s 24 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 2 277 b/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 6.95 KiB (0%)
Source stream size                       : 6.96 KiB (0%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

 

In the data I have made bold the bits that concern me and have no idea how a video file can contain no I frames.

My first though would be to look at the export settings of whatever produced the files. Have you altered the export settings at any time?

A normal file would have a GOP structure of IBBP or similar containing Intra Predictive and Bi-directionally predicted frames. Without any I frames the B and P frames have no image to work from and I'm guessing why the frames are all white.

I'm guessing the file does have I frames or it would not be playing in a video player but the Editing program and MediaInfo is not seeing that data. That is an uneducated guess on my part. John may have a clearer idea of what is going on.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

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Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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johnebaker wrote on 1/28/2024, 4:36 AM

@yanivez, @CubeAce

Hi

Assuming the video is an export from animation software:-

From the MediaInfo data

. . . . Format profile            : High@L6 . . . .

The High@L6 appears to be causing the issue.

Converting to Main@L4 and Main@L5.2, both at a bitrate of 28Mb/s, ie matching the original bitrate, import OK into Movie Studio 2024.

. . . . Bit rate     : 23.7 Mb/s . . . .

For the resolution and framerate of the video clip as a source video for editing, you ought be looking at higher average bitrate in the 60+ Mb/s range.

I tested a conversion to Main@L5.2 60Mb/s 60fps and this also imports OK into MMS 2024.

 

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / . . . .

These, and the other items in that section, are the parameter settings used by the x.264 encoder during the encoding of the video clip, for the most part they can be ignored for what we are looking at.

HTH

John EB
Forum Moderator

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yanivez wrote on 1/28/2024, 5:35 AM

Thanks champ :-) !!
You assisted me

CubeAce wrote on 1/28/2024, 5:42 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I knew you would pick up on what was wrong.😂👍

I was aware the bit rate was low but because it was playing in a video player thought it was only affecting resolution and subsequently of no consequence to the problem.

I'm always wary of applications producing video files as they seem to have endless ways of producing video files that are not compatible with video editors.

I missed the Format profile of : High@L6 even though the Magix video editors never have an export option beyond High 5.2. It never occurred to me that it could also affect the ability to read such a file on import. It also never occurred to me that there was a relationship between the MediaInfo data of Main@L5.2, and the settings within the programs export options and the fact those options do not include High or Main 6.

What I don't understand is why some applications produce all that bumph around the Encoding settings. OBS has never produced that no matter what settings for export I've used.

As far as I understood the Main / High differences and the associated numbers available, it is about how much compression is used with a higher number used resulting in less compression in the variable bit rate between the B and P frames. Or have I misunderstood its function?

So at some point the apps export settings must have been changed, yes?

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 1/28/2024, 6:26 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . What I don't understand is why some applications produce all that bumph around the Encoding settings. OBS has never produced that no matter what settings for export I've used. . . .

The info is embedded in most FFMPEG encoded video, if you have the option of using the x.264/FFMPEG encoder the data should be there, if using the h.264 encoder then the data is missing.

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.