frame rate

derek-brown wrote on 5/13/2024, 2:35 AM

Hi can anyone help with my issue below. Thanks

I have recently upgraded to Movie Studio suite 2024. My project setting are HD 1080p and 50/100 frame  rate /shutter speed. I recorded a video with my Iphone using 30/60  and imported the clip to my timeline. Normally if the frame rate differes from the project setting a dialogue box would appear and ask f you want to adjust the clip to the project settings. There is no dialogue box and the video seems to shimmer and stutter. Can you confirm if this is a software issue or something I am missing. Thanks

Comments

CubeAce wrote on 5/13/2024, 3:22 AM

@derek-brown

Hi Derek.

Right click your offending files in the containing folder and select MediaInfo to see if you have created variable frame rate files or not.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

derek-brown wrote on 5/13/2024, 3:34 AM

Hi Ray

Thanks for responding. Am I correct in thinking I go to the folder containing the clip right click it select Mediainfo and check the frame rate. Not sure what created variable frame rates looks like. I thought I would need some way to check the file 30/60 on the timeline to see what rate it was playing at alongside my 50/100 clips?

AAProds wrote on 5/13/2024, 5:02 AM

@derek-brown

Derek, sometimes I don't get asked to match the movie settings with the clips. Just set your movie setting FR to match the nominal clip frame rate of 30fps.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

derek-brown wrote on 5/13/2024, 5:24 AM

I have been using a sony camera on a gimbal for videoing property. I thought I would use the sony camera which is set at 50/100 (suits my purpose) for the internal and experiment with my Iphone 11 pro for external. My project setting are 50/100 and I loaded the Iphone clip at 30/60 on to the track expecting to get the adjust dialogue box.I am not an expert but the Iphone clip did not run smoothly(it could be something else causing this) I just wanted to know if the different frame rates playing together would cause an issue?Magix has not altered the rates because when I right click and look at the object properties on the timeline one clip is 50fps and the other 30fps.

Gid wrote on 5/13/2024, 6:00 AM

Yes different frame rates can cause problems, MMS is having to change 30 into 50 or vise versa, 30 doesn't divide into 50 equally so frames have to be discarded (or whatever the right term is).

Magix has not altered the rates because when I right click and look at the object properties on the timeline one clip is 50fps and the other 30fps.

@derek-brown If you already have a clip on the project ie. the 50p clip when you drag the 30p clip on it won't show that msg, it won't change the current project..?

Also check this button to reactivate dialogue boxes.

Magix Movie Studio 2025
Magix VPX14
Vegas Pro 21

Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

Lots of work photos on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gid.joiner/photos_albums

 

AAProds wrote on 5/13/2024, 6:21 AM

@derek-brown

Changing the movie settings is a simple matter; you don't have to rely on the auto-detect system. Hit key E and set what you want. I'd try setting 30 and see how the Sony footage looks.

For future work, can you set the Sony to 30fps (or 29.97)? Alternatively, try your iphone on 60fps.

 

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Gid wrote on 5/13/2024, 6:52 AM

@derek-brown I can't add to my comment above so - With respect your PC isn't the most powerful, if your two different medias are mixed format, both may well be MP4 but one maybe AVC & the other HEVC, mixing these on top of the different frames wouldn't be ideal esp on your PC. I know iPhones are set to HEVC by default, I don't know about your drone footage, MediaInfo will tell you/us that. There's also a Dolby setting in iPhones I think, I've read this can cause problems when it comes to editing, don't have an iPhone so don't really know..?

My Gopro is HEVC only so I've switched my Samsung S23 Ultra phone from my usual AVC to HEVC purely for this reason of not wanting to mix formats,

Last changed by Gid on 5/13/2024, 7:13 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Magix Movie Studio 2025
Magix VPX14
Vegas Pro 21

Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

Lots of work photos on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gid.joiner/photos_albums

 

johnebaker wrote on 5/13/2024, 1:30 PM

@derek-brown

Hi

To determine if the iPhone video is Variable framerate use MediaInfo as suggested by @CubeAce, see this tutorial on hw to set up MediaInfo to get all the required information and analyse an iPhone video clip.

In the video section of the analysis if you see this:

Frame rate mode: Variable

Then the video, ideally, needs converting to Constant frame rate, using a program such as AviDemux or Handbrake however if the difference between the Minimum frame rate and Maximum frame rate values is low, eg less than 5 fps, the you may be able to get a good result without conversion depending on the type of action in the video clip, personally I would convert to CFR if the difference is greater than 3 fps and there is movement across the scene, or a pan, Al (@AAProds) has a tutorial for this, however I do not have the link, perhaps he will post it.

What is the refresh rate of your monitor - this is usually quoted in Hz?

John EB
Forum Moderaor

Last changed by emmrecs on 5/13/2024, 1:48 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

Reason: To add link to tutorial

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

derek-brown wrote on 5/14/2024, 3:35 AM

Hi John

Thanks for your thoughts. Maybe I am being a bit simplistic. My interpretation of the situation is I am adding a video with a different frame rate than the project settings and in the past when this happens Magix gives me the option to adjust the imported video to the same rate as the project. Magix support suggested the same remedy as Gid-Joiner(reactivate dialogue boxes) I tried this but the button was not reactive and appeared to do nothing. Not sure if coinsedence but when returning to the project and importing the 30/60 the adjust dialogue box appeared. Unfortunately when importing a second 30/60 clip no dialogue box.I have asked Magix if this is normal or should the dialogue box appear on every 30/60 imported clip or just the first and then automatically deals with others. In conclusion I return to my original question is magix not working as it should?

Gid wrote on 5/14/2024, 4:40 AM

Not sure if coinsedence but when returning to the project and importing the 30/60 the adjust dialogue box appeared. Unfortunately when importing a second 30/60 clip no dialogue box.I have asked Magix if this is normal or should the dialogue box appear on every 30/60 imported clip or just the first and then automatically deals with others.

@derek-brown  Hi, I answered that question,

If you already have a clip on the project ie. the 50p clip when you drag the 30p clip on it won't show that msg, it won't change the current project..?

It doesn't matter what your second clip's frame rate or size is you only get that msg on the first clip you add to the project.

------------------

My interpretation of the situation is I am adding a video with a different frame rate than the project settings and in the past when this happens Magix gives me the option to adjust the imported video to the same rate as the project. 

No it's the other way around, Magix offers to change the project to suite the media by clicking Adjust.

Or could be interpreted as Yes if you click Do Not Adjust the project settings won't change & the media will be altered to suite the project,

Last changed by Gid on 5/14/2024, 4:52 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Magix Movie Studio 2025
Magix VPX14
Vegas Pro 21

Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

Lots of work photos on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gid.joiner/photos_albums

 

CubeAce wrote on 5/14/2024, 4:49 AM

@derek-brown

Hi Derek.

If the program is not working as it should then it never has worked correctly.

It is never a good idea to use multiple video clips of differing frame rates as the finished exported video must use a fixed frame rate so how does it know which frames to cut or add to from the individual clips to produce the desired export settings? Most of these wrappers are proprietory to each phone / camera manufacturer and are so many out there that video editing programs just on the whole ignore them and rely on users to convert the files first. The only reason these files are used is to reduce storage space on a portable device that may well have a fixed amount of storage. It has nothing to do with obtaining a better quality image, that comes down to the camera, lens and software enhancements unless you are recording at 10 bit, then it is possible to get a better tonal range but again that would produce huge files if recorded at a fixed frame rate which is possible but not on all devices.

Even different resolutions pose a similar but not as drastic as problem as frame rates as lower resolution files will appear softer and less defined compared to a higher resolution file in the same project.

Ray.

 

Last changed by CubeAce on 5/14/2024, 4:53 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5011

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2130 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 8 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 560.81 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

derek-brown wrote on 5/14/2024, 4:51 AM

Hi Thanks

The timeline has the 50/100 clip as is the project setting. When dragging the 30/60 on to the time line the msg did not appear. I then did as you suggested and tried to press the reactivate dialogue button nothing appeared to occur as the button appeared not to alter. But when I returned to the timeline and dragged a new 30/60 on to the timeline the adjust message appeared. I am trying to understand how the reactivate button should repond when clicked

Gid wrote on 5/14/2024, 5:32 AM

@CubeAce Hi,

The only reason these files are used is to reduce storage space on a portable device that may well have a fixed amount of storage. It has nothing to do with obtaining a better quality image, that comes down to the camera, lens and .........

You already know this but for @derek-brown this is where the differences with MP4 AVC vs MP4 HEVC comes in that I mentioned, both are compression techniques that reduce the video information so it fits in a storage device like an SD Card, & both try to keep the best quality of image during the compression but neither improve the quality.

MP4 AVC was the 'old' way & all editors are set up to work with this type without problems,

MP4 HEVC is a different newer technique used to compress the greater information of bigger videos like 4K into the SD Card,

Mixing these two on the timeline is not ideal & could cause problems with playback performance, esp on older or low powered PC's.

That is why MediaInfo of your drone footage & the phone footage is needed.

Magix Movie Studio 2025
Magix VPX14
Vegas Pro 21

Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro11

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

Lots of work photos on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gid.joiner/photos_albums

 

AAProds wrote on 5/14/2024, 7:08 AM

@CubeAce @derek-brown

how does it know which frames to cut or add to from the individual clips to produce the desired export settings?

The same way the program adjusts the speed when using the speed control. It inserts or removes frames as necessary.

Most of these wrappers are proprietory to each phone / camera manufacturer and are so many out there that video editing programs just on the whole ignore them and rely on users to convert the files first.

I don't agree. The acceptance of a particular codec is purely a design feature. Sure, program that will not accept a particular type of file will need to have that file transcoded into a acceptable format but to say "video editors on the whole just ignore them" is just plain wrong. How many mainstream format does Magix not import? VPX verses MMS?

The only reason these files are used is to reduce storage space on a portable device that may well have a fixed amount of storage. It has nothing to do with obtaining a better quality image, 

Again, I do not agree. If space was the case, why isn't the "best" ie smallest file size framerate used all the time? I think it has everything to do with lighting/exposure because the weakest feature of every camera since creation has been the performance in low light. And with every half-decent camera on the market these days, memory is not an issue. Cloud storage or multiple SD cards mean storage is just not a factor.

Back to Derek's immediate issue: the lack of an "adjust" message is irrelevant. The objects on the timeline do not dictate the movie settings. The movie settings screen (E) does (as I have already explained). You cannot have a variable frame rate timeline ie a FR that changes when an object changes and the movie settings are dictated by the user on the Movie Settings screen. Normally, you'll get an "adjust" prompt but it is only a prompt. You can choose whatever settings you like. And I often do, eg when I want to force a 16:9 video into a 4:3 movie (or VV).

John touched on display framerates; we had a topic here a short time ago where a PAL user was getting jerky video because their movie frame rate was 25fps and was coming out jerkily on their 60fps monitor.

I'd try a couple of things.

1. Change the movie settings to match your iphone (or copy all your movie objects into a new movie and change the settings of the new movie). Then see how the Sony's footage looks. Make sure you export out the video; don't rely on the timeline playback for smoothness.

2. With only an iphone clip, with movie settings on 30fps, try an export and see how it looks. Then export it at 50fps and compare.

 

Last changed by AAProds on 5/14/2024, 7:09 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

AAProds wrote on 5/14/2024, 8:48 AM

@derek-brown

Derek, also, if you could post, on Google Drive or similar, an example file from your Sony and an example from your phone for us to experiment with that would help a lot. We eventually resolved that other case I mentioned because the poster gave us access to one of their problematic files. Attaching them to the forum doesn't work because they are recoded.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12